--- In [email protected], "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Vaj writes: Questions to Tom T > I would like to know, since in Unity the subtle bodies--the mental > body, the bliss body and the transcendent body--are obliterated; how > did you experience this? When your causal body was gone, how did it > effect your interdependence with other events and other people? What's > it like not having chakras and prana or soma flows? Was this a process > that took place over time? > > The most puzzling thing is since BC is called a "bodiless" > enlightenment many say this cannot occur in a physical body. Why do > they say that? Did you make a decision? How do still maintain > identification with "body"? Is it true the Hiryanyagarbha teaches > those who enter this state directly? > > Tom T responds: > Don't have a clue to what you are asking as I do not consider myself a > scholar. Since I don't know any of the terms above the things you have > outlined above may or may not have happened. My body and all its > moving parts function automatically. It tends itself and all things > happen in some sequence know to be automatic. Maybe since I don't know > any better I don't fit the mold or the description. > My intuition wants to tell you an experience that happened to me last > year. Every night for eight months I watched the three gunas running > through every possible combination and from every angle that they ever > could unfold. I was watching this unfold in my DNA. They appear as > three distinct objects like square, circle and triangle. The > description is one for effect only as they are energy and don't have > specific form and yet they each have a unique signature as outlined > above. This went on all night, every night until one night it stopped. > When I asked why, the answer was you now are familiar with every > possible situation and combination from every angle conceivable. The > knowing was that the understanding of the three gunas was complete. On > the surface I know nothing. Imbedded on a need to know basis is the > details. That knowing happens automatically. No need to get cluttered > up with details. What needs to be known will be when some innocent > question is asked. Tom T
I believe, Tom, that your intuition probably brought up the Gunas in direct answer to Vaj's question about being taught by the Hiranyagarbha. I am quite struck by this, anyhow. As mentioned earlier, originally for me the Hiranyagarbha was a spheroid: blue at one end, red at the opposite end, and gold around the middle -- kind of an Easter egg. It's occurred to me that the egg's blue, red and gold were probably the gunas. A few days ago I checked Alain Danielou's "Hindu Polytheism" and he mentioned that Vishnu represented the cohesive, centripetal force of sattva; Shiva represented the dispersive, centrifugal force of tamas, and Brahma represented the rotary motion of rajas. This didn't make a lot of sense to me in two dimensions, but I suddenly remembered my old fascination with the torus -- visualizable as a nice fat doughnut, or a sphere with a hollow core flaring out smoothly at top and bottom to blend with the outside skin. This hollow core looks rather like (in two dimensions) a carved Roman-capital I, with flared serifs, or (in three dimensions) a Christian chalice, or our old friend the double cone. Now if we put the blue at the south pole of this toroid-egg, we have Vishnu or Narayana (probably originally Indra), overseeing His umbilical cord or "black hole" of Prakriti or proto-matter getting sucked up sattvically and centripetally toward the center, where it ignites and rotates as the golden dynamo-embryo of Brahma (our rajas, raj, or Ahamkara-ruler), thundering out His "vedic" commands like solar flares as He rotates (symbolized by His four heads). When "done" here the matter begins to disperse as it continues further northward until it flares out tamasically in a "white hole" centrifugally as the red Shiva (clearly, originally Rudra) at its north pole. It then wraps down around the outside of the egg back to the south pole and Vishnu, where it begins all over again. This magnetic-field-like torus-shape would appear to be the prototype for everything with an inner-Brahma or Ahamkara, from the atomic scale through the human and global and up to the Universal. >From the cosmic point of view, there would appear to be "really" only one Ahamkara, which upon entering maya or space-time is reflected into its countless pinpoints of I-Am "stars." I am also reminded of the various insights around the time of K.C. or "Mastery," some of which involved combining the three primary rays of Theosophy (red, yellow, and blue: again, the three gunas), and subtly ascending a "pyramid" (probably the lower half of the double cone of the torus) which contained, like Tom's experience, the fiery column of my own DNA -- again, in No-time -- until I reached an immense OMMMM and popped through it out into a council of Masters. I would say now this looks a lot like swooping up through the bottom half of the Hiranyagarbha-toroid until reaching Brahma and his council, seen another way perhaps as Aditi and the Adityas. Finally, though I am not a Mason, I think we may see very strong echos of all this in the Masonic ritual of Mastery -- the three "ruffians," each with a piece of the Word (the three gunas and A U M) and so on... To play with a few of your other questions, Vaj, I do not recall losing any body other than the causal. This did indeed for awhile feel bodiless in a most disconcerting manner. My old sense of self was lost; my old physical body no longer "meant" anything in the sense of boundaries. I no longer had an inside and an outside. While on the one hand Understanding mySelf fully within and without as everything Wholeness, neither Absolute nor Relative -- completely the "same" --was completely satisfying, it still felt quite rudderless for a few days of utter ordinary paradox until "prana is Brahman" showed me how to enliven the emptifullness. I do not remember at this point the issue of specific chakras, except for a lot of activity around the navel and heart (which matches my current Purusha-Prakriti model nicely). A few years thereafter, at any rate, the (inner) body was indeed a single blazing "sun", with no clearly distinguishable separate chakras (to me at least). Prana was still very much involved in further alignment and refinement. Though I was of course unaware of it at the time, this also now matches the Purusha-Prakriti model -- where the cosmic bliss-sheaths and prana- sensory sheaths are re-enlivened much as they had first been long before in G.C. Now: as this model shows the movement entirely one way, from the bottom up, I believe it is only half the picture: the time-flow of Prakriti. It appears that from Purusha's point of view, time flows in reverse. Spirit and Matter are one -- the same substance -- just polar opposites in Time-space-flow. Love, Rory To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
