Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

[rudra_joe]

On Apr 2, 2005, at 7:01 AM, rudra_joe wrote: > ----Hey, that was brilliant George. Just great. Vaj, can you use this? > Just a rehash of ole TMO dogma.     ---nah, we start where we are. I thought that was a skillful argument where George obviously was able to use what you said. Tomorrow he might actually study the finer points of dzogchen and 'get it' from the lama. Many people are attached to their framework. George has a 'nature's mechanics of bliss' framework.  So do I. So does Dzogchen. Not so much different in what George said than spanda. Act from the gap. If there's one gap that stands out most guys notice. As above so below. Skill in action and all that. ;)     Not that he doesn't put it very nicely, he does. But doesn't it disturb you that there is no breaking out of old parroted patterns for these people?     ---You know better than anyone that there's no, 'these people' anywhere.     The total attachment to Fruit and then the eventual claim thereof is bizarre.     ----Except that for the most part these TMers are seasoned meditators who may have more realtime meditation experience than your average Vajrayana practitioner.  I have seen many Vajrayana and most are just working on the level of discursive thought. You can tell when you meet the really spaced out ones who are doing long Vajrasattva mantras in their head all the time. And even my wife can tell if they're really transcending. Because she has felt the saturated peace before of being in the domes. Even though she doesn't meditate. At KC she kept saying that even though the woman next to us didn't move a muscle in a week, nonetheless my wife said, she was just stuck in the head, she wasn't in rigpa.  I prefer rolpa. If there's one usuable concept that I know it's rolpa. I gotta recommend this book, In Buddha's Kitchen by Kimberely Snow.     Not saying it can't happen, I remain skeptical. Having had to confront Robin Carlsen for a group of friends to show, clearly, that he wasn't enlightened is not something I enjoy having to repeat.   ----From what I've heard I'm sure that was hell.  Has anyone else ever stood up to that boogeyman? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.