I'm not the hall monitor. You have cast me in that role. It is a reflection of a need you have to relate to me this way. But you'll never acknowledge that in the slightest. -Peter --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The celebration began a long time ago, unbeknownst > to some beefed-up > arrogant bouncers patrolling the rope line -- as > people walk, happily > and laughing -- through the open back door. > > How many have had an experience of "no-doer"? Wow. > Almost everyone. > (Peter faints --- the shock of it all. ) > > How many have had an experience during their first > year of TM? > Wow!! Almost everyone. > > How many, in the first few years of TM heard or read > MMY talking about > this and it made experiential sense? > Holy Cow!! Almost everyone. Who would have known???? > > > How many have had an eperience where the world > appears to be whole and > still, even while it all contines to move and flow? > OH MY GOD!!!! Not everyone -- but so many people! > > But Peter, if you really want to be the hall monitor > and pass out hall > passess so people can refer to multiple experiential > realities without > getting a detention -- and that actually makes you > happy -- then go > for it. Or don't. Whatever. > > The point still holds: if one talks about something > from a basis of > experience to a person who has an experiential basis > to understand it, > the conversation is meaningful to all -- except to > the most arrogant > of elitist eavesdroppers. Which I am sure you are > not. > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't start the celebrations too early. The point > > still holds: if you talk about something with no > > experiential context, the conversation is > meaningless > > beyond entertainment. > > -Peter > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Great. Glad to hear it. And now the world won't > be > > > burdened anymore > > > with nonesense admonitions about dharmas when > there > > > are references to > > > similtaneous multiple levels of understnding > about > > > soemthing. Its a > > > great day of celebration. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > Sutphen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:. > > > > Thank you for setting me straight. I feel much > > > better. > > > > -Peter > > > > > > > > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To be a bit more specific Peter, your dharma > cop > > > > > role assumes most > > > > > people are fools. It assumes all people are > like > > > > > woody allen's satire > > > > > / characture of himself as a kid in Annie > Hall. > > > As > > > > > you remember, the > > > > > young 10 year old is brought to the > psychiatrist > > > by > > > > > his mother because > > > > > Alvie won't do anything other than stare at > > > walls. > > > > > Alvie explains his > > > > > version of existential angst to the shrink, > "the > > > > > universe is > > > > > expannding, which means one day it will > explode > > > and > > > > > that > > > > > will be the end of everything." > > > > > > > > > > Some funny responses: His mother yells, > "What > > > > > business is it of yours > > > > > what the Universe is doing??!!" And the > shrink > > > > > explains in > > > > > condescending tones, "Don't worry Alvie, > > > Brooklyn is > > > > > not expanding." > > > > > > > > > > Your fear appears to be that everyone is an > > > Alvie, > > > > > that they will be > > > > > paralyzed into inaction if they dare > recognize a > > > > > reality that is only > > > > > partially, though perhaps not yet eternally > > > > > recognized. People, their > > > > > associated reactive minds, intellects and > > > bodies, > > > > > are usually not that > > > > > dull as to sink into paralysis when > realizing > > > > > conceptually, based on > > > > > experience -- even if it is not eternal > > > experience, > > > > > that there is no > > > > > doer. Or at a deeper level, there is no > action. > > > > > > > > > > One can learn of how food is assimilated at > > > > > chemical, quantum > > > > > mechanical or even cosmological levels ("it > > > doesn't > > > > > amout to a hill of > > > > > beans" to quote another film) and yet still > the > > > body > > > > > contines to eat > > > > > on the surface level. It is not shocked into > > > > > paralysis knowing its > > > > > just quantum soup drinking quantum soup. > > > > > > > > > > So your role playing dharmic high priest, > > > telling > > > > > people from what and > > > > > how they should interpret the world, is > ITMBO > > > (in > > > > > this mind/body's > > > > > opinion) more something you are working out > > > > > internally, and does not > > > > > provide much useful real world guidance for > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > But everyone can and will decide on their > own. > > > > > Besides, this is just > > > > > all quantum soup made from an insignificant > hill > > > of > > > > > beans. > > > > > > > > > > --- your pal alvie (still crazy, but not > > > paralyzed, > > > > > after all these > > > > > years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > akasha_108 > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I understand Peter. > > > > > > > > > > > > As long as you continue to comparmentalize > > > > > wholeness into little > > > > > > domains, and feel the need to keep > tracking > > > our > > > > > different > > > > > > dharmas blazing in your mind, you will > > > continue to > > > > > feel the need to > > > > > > play dharma cop -- and to continue to cite > > > people > > > > > for your own > > > > > > internal vision of dharmic conflicts of > the > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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