Well thank god Peter that you have nothing of substance to add and dwell on tiertiary allusions of humor.
So the point still holds: if one talks about something from a basis of experience to a person who has an experiential basis to understand it, the conversation is meaningful to both. It is the height of arrogance and manifest ego to claim the ability to diagnose anothers expereince from afar, judge it inferior, and proclaim only an elite can possible understand what you the apparent brahmin priest proclaims. --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:/ > I'm not the hall monitor. You have cast me in that > role. It is a reflection of a need you have to relate > to me this way. But you'll never acknowledge that in > the slightest. > -Peter hahaha. Do you often have such delusions of importance and power? > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > The celebration began a long time ago, unbeknownst > > to some beefed-up > > arrogant bouncers patrolling the rope line -- as > > people walk, happily > > and laughing -- through the open back door. > > > > How many have had an experience of "no-doer"? Wow. > > Almost everyone. > > (Peter faints --- the shock of it all. ) > > > > How many have had an experience during their first > > year of TM? > > Wow!! Almost everyone. > > > > How many, in the first few years of TM heard or read > > MMY talking about > > this and it made experiential sense? > > Holy Cow!! Almost everyone. Who would have known???? > > > > > > How many have had an eperience where the world > > appears to be whole and > > still, even while it all contines to move and flow? > > OH MY GOD!!!! Not everyone -- but so many people! > > > > But Peter, if you really want to be the hall monitor > > and pass out hall > > passess so people can refer to multiple experiential > > realities without > > getting a detention -- and that actually makes you > > happy -- then go > > for it. Or don't. Whatever. > > > > The point still holds: if one talks about something > > from a basis of > > experience to a person who has an experiential basis > > to understand it, > > the conversation is meaningful to all -- except to > > the most arrogant > > of elitist eavesdroppers. Which I am sure you are > > not. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Don't start the celebrations too early. The point > > > still holds: if you talk about something with no > > > experiential context, the conversation is > > meaningless > > > beyond entertainment. > > > -Peter > > > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great. Glad to hear it. And now the world won't > > be > > > > burdened anymore > > > > with nonesense admonitions about dharmas when > > there > > > > are references to > > > > similtaneous multiple levels of understnding > > about > > > > soemthing. Its a > > > > great day of celebration. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > > Sutphen > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:. > > > > > Thank you for setting me straight. I feel much > > > > better. > > > > > -Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To be a bit more specific Peter, your dharma > > cop > > > > > > role assumes most > > > > > > people are fools. It assumes all people are > > like > > > > > > woody allen's satire > > > > > > / characture of himself as a kid in Annie > > Hall. > > > > As > > > > > > you remember, the > > > > > > young 10 year old is brought to the > > psychiatrist > > > > by > > > > > > his mother because > > > > > > Alvie won't do anything other than stare at > > > > walls. > > > > > > Alvie explains his > > > > > > version of existential angst to the shrink, > > "the > > > > > > universe is > > > > > > expannding, which means one day it will > > explode > > > > and > > > > > > that > > > > > > will be the end of everything." > > > > > > > > > > > > Some funny responses: His mother yells, > > "What > > > > > > business is it of yours > > > > > > what the Universe is doing??!!" And the > > shrink > > > > > > explains in > > > > > > condescending tones, "Don't worry Alvie, > > > > Brooklyn is > > > > > > not expanding." > > > > > > > > > > > > Your fear appears to be that everyone is an > > > > Alvie, > > > > > > that they will be > > > > > > paralyzed into inaction if they dare > > recognize a > > > > > > reality that is only > > > > > > partially, though perhaps not yet eternally > > > > > > recognized. People, their > > > > > > associated reactive minds, intellects and > > > > bodies, > > > > > > are usually not that > > > > > > dull as to sink into paralysis when > > realizing > > > > > > conceptually, based on > > > > > > experience -- even if it is not eternal > > > > experience, > > > > > > that there is no > > > > > > doer. Or at a deeper level, there is no > > action. > > > > > > > > > > > > One can learn of how food is assimilated at > > > > > > chemical, quantum > > > > > > mechanical or even cosmological levels ("it > > > > doesn't > > > > > > amout to a hill of > > > > > > beans" to quote another film) and yet still > > the > > > > body > > > > > > contines to eat > > > > > > on the surface level. It is not shocked into > > > > > > paralysis knowing its > > > > > > just quantum soup drinking quantum soup. > > > > > > > > > > > > So your role playing dharmic high priest, > > > > telling > > > > > > people from what and > > > > > > how they should interpret the world, is > > ITMBO > > > > (in > > > > > > this mind/body's > > > > > > opinion) more something you are working out > > > > > > internally, and does not > > > > > > provide much useful real world guidance for > > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > > > But everyone can and will decide on their > > own. > > > > > > Besides, this is just > > > > > > all quantum soup made from an insignificant > > hill > > > > of > > > > > > beans. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- your pal alvie (still crazy, but not > > > > paralyzed, > > > > > > after all these > > > > > > years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > akasha_108 > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I understand Peter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As long as you continue to comparmentalize > > > > > > wholeness into little > > > > > > > domains, and feel the need to keep > > tracking > > > > our > > > > > > different > > > > > > > dharmas blazing in your mind, you will > > > > continue to > > > > > > feel the need to > > > > > > > play dharma cop -- and to continue to cite > > > > people > > > > > > for your own > > > > > > > internal vision of dharmic conflicts of > > the > > > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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