--- crukstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Don't start the celebrations too early. The point > > still holds: if you talk about something with no > > experiential context, the conversation is > meaningless > > beyond entertainment. > > -Peter > > > > But, dont we all have the experience of > consciousness? In a way, > just to be alive gives us all the experiential > context we need. > > Rick Carlstrom Of course. But as consciousness starts to awaken to itself more and more there are particular milestones that are experienced. To talk about these milestones, which are foundational shifts in consciousness, prior to the experience is for entertainment purposes only. These milestones can not be fully understood outside of themselves. Like the Peter Kurtz post talking about his friend who said after a foundational shift, "Oh this is what MMY is talking about." Prior to that you think you understand, but you don't. The experience is needed for the full comprehension. -Peter > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Great. Glad to hear it. And now the world won't > be > > > burdened anymore > > > with nonesense admonitions about dharmas when > there > > > are references to > > > similtaneous multiple levels of understnding > about > > > soemthing. Its a > > > great day of celebration. > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > Sutphen > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:. > > > > Thank you for setting me straight. I feel much > > > better. > > > > -Peter > > > > > > > > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To be a bit more specific Peter, your dharma > cop > > > > > role assumes most > > > > > people are fools. It assumes all people are > like > > > > > woody allen's satire > > > > > / characture of himself as a kid in Annie > Hall. > > > As > > > > > you remember, the > > > > > young 10 year old is brought to the > psychiatrist > > > by > > > > > his mother because > > > > > Alvie won't do anything other than stare at > > > walls. > > > > > Alvie explains his > > > > > version of existential angst to the shrink, > "the > > > > > universe is > > > > > expannding, which means one day it will > explode > > > and > > > > > that > > > > > will be the end of everything." > > > > > > > > > > Some funny responses: His mother yells, > "What > > > > > business is it of yours > > > > > what the Universe is doing??!!" And the > shrink > > > > > explains in > > > > > condescending tones, "Don't worry Alvie, > > > Brooklyn is > > > > > not expanding." > > > > > > > > > > Your fear appears to be that everyone is an > > > Alvie, > > > > > that they will be > > > > > paralyzed into inaction if they dare > recognize a > > > > > reality that is only > > > > > partially, though perhaps not yet eternally > > > > > recognized. People, their > > > > > associated reactive minds, intellects and > > > bodies, > > > > > are usually not that > > > > > dull as to sink into paralysis when > realizing > > > > > conceptually, based on > > > > > experience -- even if it is not eternal > > > experience, > > > > > that there is no > > > > > doer. Or at a deeper level, there is no > action. > > > > > > > > > > One can learn of how food is assimilated at > > > > > chemical, quantum > > > > > mechanical or even cosmological levels ("it > > > doesn't > > > > > amout to a hill of > > > > > beans" to quote another film) and yet still > the > > > body > > > > > contines to eat > > > > > on the surface level. It is not shocked into > > > > > paralysis knowing its > > > > > just quantum soup drinking quantum soup. > > > > > > > > > > So your role playing dharmic high priest, > > > telling > > > > > people from what and > > > > > how they should interpret the world, is > ITMBO > > > (in > > > > > this mind/body's > > > > > opinion) more something you are working out > > > > > internally, and does not > > > > > provide much useful real world guidance for > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > But everyone can and will decide on their > own. > > > > > Besides, this is just > > > > > all quantum soup made from an insignificant > hill > > > of > > > > > beans. > > > > > > > > > > --- your pal alvie (still crazy, but not > > > paralyzed, > > > > > after all these > > > > > years). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > akasha_108 > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I understand Peter. > > > > > > > > > > > > As long as you continue to comparmentalize > > > > > wholeness into little > > > > > > domains, and feel the need to keep > tracking > > > our > > > > > different > > > > > > dharmas blazing in your mind, you will > > > continue to > > > > > feel the need to > > > > > > play dharma cop -- and to continue to cite > > > people > > > > > for your own > > > > > > internal vision of dharmic conflicts of > the > > > One > > > > > Eternal Dharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cite away. > > > > > > > > > > > > As GH said: Beware of darkness. All things > > > must > > > > > pass. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > Peter > > > > > Sutphen > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Watch out Akasha, you're going to get a > > > dharma > > > > > fine! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- akasha_108 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > Peter > > > > > Sutphen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I started teaching TM in 1973, > > > National > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > sent the correct percentage back and > the > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > > percentage into my ATR account. That > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. 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