> > Just as a question to the folks participating in this
> > discussion, do you assume that enlightenment, once
> > realized, is permanent?  Since I've been away from TM
> > and its teachings for 20+ years, I'm trying to find out
> > whether we're on the "same page" here.  I certainly do
> > not assume this, based both on teachings I respect and
> > the personal experiences of myself and others (periods
> > of enlightenment can just come and go).  The teachings
> > were Tibetan in origin, and have to do with ways in
> > which one can definitely mess up after realization of
> > enlightenment and make it "go away."  TIA,
> 
> There are several on this list who claim to be permanently 
> enlightened--perhaps they could answer this question?

That's actually one reason I asked.  There are some
schools of thought (like TM, when I was around) that
suggest that once realized, enlightenment is perma-
nent.  There are others that believe that it can come
and go.  I tend to believe the latter, for many reasons.

Now, if the latter were true, and one had begun to have
enlightenment experiences, had announced them to the
world, and then those experiences faded, what does 
one do?

How many would have the strength of character to go 
back to all those people one had announced one's
enlightenment to and say, "Ooops?"

In several traditions this situation has come up often
enough that they don't recommend talking about one's
experiences as permanent until they have been present
24/7 for ten years or so.

Unc






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