--- Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Rick" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >We are discussing here (I thought) how a thinking > > > process could be going on without the indweller > doing that > thinking. > > > > Your assumptions appears to be that there is an > indweller. There > isn't. > > > > If there is an indwelling "controller", "driver", > or "doer", then > have > > it, or ask it to, instantaneously: > > > > - stop all thoughts > > The indweller does not think. > > > - stop all analysis > > The indweller does not analyse > > > - stop all questions > > The indweller does not question. > > > > If it can't stop these things, its not in control. > Its not driving > the > > train. (There is no Casey Jones). > > > > Its like a mad uncle who is locked in a glass > cage, with one way > > mirrors, in a symphony hall. The uncle hears > symphonic music and is > > conducting the symphony with his baton. Very > skillyfully, very > > emphatically. Only, the madness of it all, the > joke, is that the > > symphony can't see the uncle, does not even know > he is there. The > > symphony is playing by itself, on its own. The mad > uncle just has > > deluded himself into thinking he is the conductor. > > > > The mad uncle then gets tired and stops for a > while. He is shocked > as > > hell that the symphony keeps playing without him. > He sits there > > stunned, for hours as the symphony plays on > flawlessly. > > > > After a while, the mad uncle simple slips into an > adjacent warm hot > > tub, relaxes totally, and goes "ahhhhhhhhh", > merging with the warm > > water. The mad uncle gains insight that he is not > controlling the > > symphony. He realizes that there is nothing to do. > He grokes that > he > > himself is just a figment of his own imagination. > > > > The hot tub just enjoys its own total warmth, > comfort and release. > > > > The symphony plays on. > > Thats all very nice, and I appreciate you taking the > time to try and > disabuse me of an inner illusion but why does the > idea of an > indweller have to imply identity and control? > Haven't you ever > experienced awareness without the presence of > thoughts? Isn't that > the basis of transcendental consciousness? > > In the above analogy that you wrote, it sounds like > you are imbuing > the hot tub with identity and ability to experience > something else, > that is, the warmth of the tub. Warmth is relative, > how can there be > an experience if there is not an experiencer and > something to > experience? > > These analogies are almost impossible. They are like > a photon that > exists only as a potential wave or particle. Which > one is it, wave > or particle? It is neither until it is > measured(experienced) and > then it is forced to exist in some "way". Quantum > physics pretty > much renders Newtonian physics an illusion but on > the relative scale > of physical life it is not an illusion. > > Okay now I'm going to go out on a limb here but what > the hell. When > the wave form of silence collapses into dynamism the > indweller > exists, when the wave form of dynamism collapses > into silence the > indweller is non-existent. But the indweller never > does anything > more than the unmanifest does, desiring to be > manifest. Or vice > versa. > > Rick Carlstrom > > Rick Carlstrom
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