--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 19, 2005, at 11:31 AM, Rick wrote: > > > > > You are confusing the TM claim of effortless with the attendant > > instructions. Initiating the sounding of the mantra by the mind is > > an effort that when allowed to fall away leaves an effortless state. > > > > Actually, effort (prayatna) is well defined by the > yoga-siddhanta-chandrika (a standard yoga-darshana which refines > knowledge of the YS): > > Effort is any of these: utsaha (the intent to meditate), sahasa > (believing you can meditate), dhairya (patience to sit and meditate > until liberated), adhatma-vidya (pursuing meditative and the spiritual > sciences in general), mahat-seva (serving the mahat). > > Of course, on closer examination, it can be seen to consist of more > efforts (as in TM or other forms of meditation). > > To not use effort, we must dissolve method, no?
Were on the edge of a semantic black hole here. I agree that to describe the practice of TM as being totally effortless is misleading in a strict manner of speaking. The real issue as far as I am concerned is shown by your statement "to not use effort, we must dissolve method, no?". Well that is so easy to say and I think that it is correct but how does one get "there"? How does one go from a state of mental effort which is really waking state to effortlessness on command? How do you dissolve method? By appreciating the mantra at finer and finer levels of thought until there is only the mantra and then finally leaving the mantra and transcending thought. Ta daa, the method is dissolved, effortlessness has been achieved. If you have another "way" of achieving (or non-achieving) that, good for you but at some point an effort or an intention is made to think or in this case to not think and unless one is in a constant state of non- thought, that transitional effort cannot be avoided. What is it that is recited at the TM dinners? "We cut this cake as a symbol of the effort that is required...." I don't know, it's something like that. Someone else can post it correctly. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
