--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Rick: > > > On May 19, 2005, at 12:35 PM, Rick wrote: > > > The real issue as far as I am concerned is shown by your > > statement "to not use effort, we must dissolve method, no?". > > Yeah I think that's an important part of it. > > > > > Well that is so easy to say and I think that it is correct but how > > does one get "there"? > > One receives instructions from someone who practices that form of > non-meditation--Hindu, Chinese, Tibetan, Aborigine, etc > > > How does one go from a state of mental effort > > which is really waking state to effortlessness on command? How do > > you dissolve method? By appreciating the mantra at finer and finer > > levels of thought until there is only the mantra and then finally > > leaving the mantra and transcending thought. Ta daa, the method is > > dissolved, effortlessness has been achieved. > > Well you can "think that", but does that make it so? Does stating "I > dissolved the car I drove to Ottumwa in" dissolve the car or change > that you got there by a car? No, it doesn't. Similarly samapatti does > not dissolve mantra--it takes you to the subtle part of mantra, but > still the seed is there. In Guru Dev's system there are a dozen levels > of subtlety below the end point of TM to get truly beyond mind...
Does stating "I read it in a book that was written by someone who knows the truth" make it so? This writing says this, that writing says that, there is a field beyond the books, I will meet you there (apologies to Rumi). Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
