Hi Rick:

On May 19, 2005, at 12:35 PM, Rick wrote:

> The real issue as far as I am concerned is shown by your
> statement  "to not use effort, we must dissolve method, no?".

Yeah I think that's an important part of it.

>
> Well that is so easy to say and I think that it is correct but how
> does one get "there"?

One receives instructions from someone who practices that form of 
non-meditation--Hindu, Chinese, Tibetan, Aborigine, etc

>  How does one go from a state of mental effort
> which is really waking state to effortlessness on command? How do
> you dissolve method? By appreciating the mantra at finer and finer
> levels of thought until there is only the mantra and then finally
> leaving the mantra and transcending thought. Ta daa, the method is
> dissolved, effortlessness has been achieved.

Well you can "think that", but does that make it so? Does stating "I 
dissolved the car I drove to Ottumwa in" dissolve the car or change 
that you got there by a car? No, it doesn't. Similarly samapatti does 
not dissolve mantra--it takes you to the subtle part of mantra, but 
still the seed is there. In Guru Dev's system there are a dozen levels 
of subtlety below the end point of TM to get truly beyond mind...



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