--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On May 19, 2005, at 11:31 AM, Rick wrote: > > > > > You are confusing the TM claim of effortless with the attendant > > instructions. Initiating the sounding of the mantra by the mind is > > an effort that when allowed to fall away leaves an effortless state. > > > > Actually, effort (prayatna) is well defined by the > yoga-siddhanta-chandrika (a standard yoga-darshana which refines > knowledge of the YS): > > Effort is any of these: utsaha (the intent to meditate), sahasa > (believing you can meditate), dhairya (patience to sit and meditate > until liberated), adhatma-vidya (pursuing meditative and the spiritual > sciences in general), mahat-seva (serving the mahat). > > Of course, on closer examination, it can be seen to consist of more > efforts (as in TM or other forms of meditation).
> > To not use effort, we must dissolve method, no? If "intent to meditate" is effort, then certainly even thinking any thought is effort to you, yes ? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
