--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> probably just the experience of the vehicle traveling over a 
> smoother road vs a rougher road previously. 
> 
> ...though I tend to agree with Vaj when he talks about the mantra 
> being successively transcended through many levels; like a 
parfait, 
> sometimes it is fruit and other times whipped cream.
> 
> If you are doing it correctly, the level of effort/effortlessness 
> remains consistent, though the subjective experience manifests as 
> more or less clear. Which you then associate with more or less 
> effort.


This, then, is confusing to me.

>From what you say above, I infer that one can be doing TM correctly 
yet if one were to ask me during a checking procedure whether "it 
was easy" I very well may say "no" because I am associating 
the "less clear" experience with "more effort"...

> 
> --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > I find it keeps getting more and more effortless. Over and 
over 
> > again, one
> > > has the experience, "OK, now I'm doing it correctly."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This is precisely my experience.
> > 
> > Yet when I have it, I sometimes say to myself: does this mean 
that 
> I 
> > have been doing it with effort in the past because now I am 
> > experiencing this new level of effortlessness?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Maybe as Peter
> > > implies, with enlightenment it becomes infinitely effortless 
and 
> > there are
> > > no more shifts to greater effortlessness.




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