SCI is not required to *learn* TM. And, unless the planis to never 
teach TM to the masses again ever, it seems well, at least as 
egotistical as everyone seems to be claiming MMY is, to be talking 
about setting up a large-scale rival TM organization. Chopra's 
organization has no chance of "teaching the masses" on the scale that 
the TMO has done, and still can do, and yet, you guys think you can 
do as well as, or better than chopra, and somehow do as well as 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.




--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On May 25, 2005, at 5:30 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
> 
> > Much of the impetus behind independent TM
> > teaching comes from making the knowledge
> > available at more affordable prices. But I'm
> > curious how people who've been following the
> > discussions here would handle other aspects
> > of the teaching that might be a bit more problematic.
> >
> > For example, we typically say the mantra is a
> > meaningless sound. Would you all stick with
> > that description? Or would some of you disclose
> > the provenance of mantras?
> >
> > Another issue: We say on the third night of
> > checking that cosmic consciousness is a state
> > in which one's every act is spontaneously life-
> > supporting. But a popular topic among us has
> > been the questioning of that dogma. What would
> > you say? Would you just skip that part of the teaching?
> >
> > And if we start fiddling with the teaching, are we
> > teaching TM, or something inspired by it?
> >
> > The larger subtext: does knowledge really get lost?
> 
> This is a really good question.
> 
> This is the question I was addressing when I talked the other day 
about 
> the upside of the pundits. It will really be these guys who will 
> preserve the true tradition. Unless people take the time to train 
> themselves in the texts behind this tradition, they would be 
clueless. 
> Why? Because when you were taught SCI you were not given the source 
for 
> these teaching.  Nor were you given the source behind many of the 
> advanced lectures. The science of the gap, the sandi, is all in 
> Sanskrit. In other words, the real tradition has been hidden behind 
a 
> facade of scientific materialism and dispensed. The only real 
option is 
> to bootleg the SCI tapes and the advanced lectures, etc.
> 
> And how will you train new teachers without all of the video and 
audio 
> tapes?
> 
> Another issue is who will teach the advanced techniques?
> 
> The very real upside of the pundits--even if it ends up being only 
half 
> of the number stated--the upside is they have the full knowledge of 
the 
> tradition AND the practices. So it's a good thing that they are 
> learning what they are learning. The karma-kanda aspect of M.'s 
> teaching really is only preserved by Brahmins--and that represents 
a 
> significant part since what he teaches is essentially karma yoga 
for 
> householders.




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