Angela, you are superb. The fact that you've caused such angry reactions and
railing denial is evidence that you've pressed some serious "oh my god, what
could this mean?" buttons. A lot of folks here are very defensive of the TMO,
as they still are members. It's scary to get your most basic beliefs
challenged, and some of the things you wrote brought up inner questions that
were challenges indeed.
I've been attacked also for some of my posts, and the greater attack the
greater good I feel I probably did by what I wrote. We all NEED our assumptions
challenged, Angela. Challenging them is what keeps us from getting old. When I
was a young girl, I thought my generation was SO cool because it was so
open-minded. All my peers (except some rare rednecks) were open to new ideas,
opposite points of view. So different from our parents back then.
Now I find the very people I looked up to in my youth, people in the
movement, are as dried out and set in their ways as my father was at their age.
Those bright, idealist sparkling eyes and minds have given way to dullness,
repetitious thinking, platitudes, and entrenchment in mental positions. Exactly
like the generation we once felt so superior to! Now I know it wasn't that we
were a better generation, we were just young and flexible, fresh and willing to
explore and to experience life.
When I see a mind like yours, willing to go where no man has gone before, I
feel heartened indeed. There are far too few of your kind in this world. You
risk and bear the arrows and bullets by people terrified at the thought of
substanstive growth or change. We used to call them fuddie-duddies, when we
were kids and found these traits in our parents. To be more concerned about the
disapproval of our parents' modern-day equivalant than we were over our
parents', would be silly. The same rules apply. Chalk it up to
narrow-mindedness.
For a person as original as you, it's hard to find a place you're accepted in
this world, because while you've stayed young most people around you haven't.
You don't fit into a pegged slot the way most older folks do. You're a
maverick. It's a lonely kind of mind to have, and a lonely life you sometimes
have to lead. But there are other mavericks out there. You do have a family.
Everyone who ever sought for the truth at whatever cost to their world view is
in your family. Living and dead, they are kin. All the inventors, the original
thinkers, the revolutionaries, the yeast in the dough of this world. You are
never really alone on the path that you have chosen.
When the rowdy ones throw mud at you, don't bother to answer their posts.
It's a waste of your good energy. If someone honestly challenges you with their
thoughts, take the time to address that. Don't let the ones who sometimes act
like bozos get to you. They aren't always like this.
I know it's hard to ignore it when you're getting treated like shit. But that
is part of what happens to mavericks. And mavericks change the world. Mud on
the overcoat and scratches on the face is just part of the job description.
Thanks for being so courageous. You are an inspiration.
- Bronte
feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What you're failing to recognize is the technique of the smear. How
many times have you heard a politician make a smear and then claim
that his words are being taken out of context? The idea is simply to
plant the seed, and then let it do its work while you pretend that you
didn't really mean it.
--- In [email protected], "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm witnessing much "projection" from people reading things "into"
> statements that in fact,
> both grammatically, literally, explicitly and imiplicitly are not
being made
> by the people the
> misreaders are accusing of. As meditators, more mature
objectivization is a
> consequence
> of sincerity in meditation, the mind taking the shape of more truthful
> dispositions and perspectives.
>
> Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable
> thing to cultivate and convey to others is *a moral conscience*.
Only such
> persons deserve to lead others , in any capacity. *Anything less is
a menace
> to society*.
>
>
> On 10/15/07, feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > You must be very naive. The reason this poster is making such
> > statements is to imply that TM people think like Nazis and are members
> > of a proto-Nazi movement that has the potential to do much harm. It
> > doesn't seem to bother her that she lives in this town and is
> > slandering her friends and neighbors. She even says she loves living
> > here, which of course gives the lie to her entire argument. She may
> > know a lot and be very clever, but she has neither judgment nor wisdom
> > and would be better off taking her poison elsewhere.
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
> > Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?"
> > <DharmaMitra1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > A manifestation similar to other manifestations during the pre-Nazi
> > and Nazi
> > > era -- not necessarily cocreators, simply there concurrently.
> > >
> > > Is that clear?
> > >
> > > *I want every person to be complete in themselves. Your himsa
has no
> > > placein my
> > > mission.*
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/15/07, feste37 <feste37@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So the implication is that MMY, like the Nazis, has prepared his
> > > > people "to be nonchalant about mass murder by instilling New Age
> > > > principles in them in advance of the violence." Any shred of
evidence
> > > > to support this preposterous notion?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], Bronte Baxter
> > > > <brontebaxter8@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > His point, Angela, seems to be that your paralleling the TMO and
> > > > Nazi Germany is not to be taken seriously because, unlike the
Nazis,
> > > > the movement has never committed violence. True. However, fiesty
> > > > Feste, Angela did already address this fact in her first or second
> > > > post on the subject. She said the Third Reich prepared its
people to
> > > > be nonchalant about mass murder by instilling New Age
principles in
> > > > them in advance of the violence. So the fact that violence has
not yet
> > > > erupted in the current situation could mean we're not yet at that
> > stage.
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe, though, Angela, that Maharishi's movement can't be
> > > > singled out for instilling in our culture ideas that are
damaging to
> > > > individual responsibility, discriminating thought, and the
integrity
> > > > of the individual ego. The same attitude is coming from all
> > > > directions, not just TM. We're finding it in Buddhism (as it's
usually
> > > > taught in the West), Eckart Tolle, certainly in Byron Katie,
and very
> > > > strongly in the Neo-Advaitin gurus. The good parts of Eastern
> > > > philosophy that I glommed onto as a girl have pretty much been
> > > > forgotten and taken over by what is either distortions of the
original
> > > > teachings or -- maybe the insidiousness was there all along
and I was
> > > > too young to see it. MMY's movement is becoming scary with the
rajas
> > > > stuff and is setting itself up in a way that could turn
militant. As
> > > > such it stands out as particularly suspect. But I believe
something
> > > > deeper is afoot, which all these "spiritual" movements are
serving in
> > > > concert with each other.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Bronte
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Angela Mailander <mailander111@> wrote:
> > > > > Your first question misses my point so completely,
I'm at
> > > > a loss as to how to respond. And no, it's not hard to live in
this
> > > > town. I chose it and love it here. a
> > > > >
> > > > > feste37 <feste37@> wrote: How many Jews has Maharishi
> > > > murdered? How many death camps has he set up?
> > > > >
> > > > > It must be hard for you living in this town, surrounded by a
> > movement
> > > > > that resembles the Nazis so closely.
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems to me that your mind is so distorted, heaven knows
by what,
> > > > > that you cannot make clear distinctions between things.
> > > > >
> > > > > But welcome to this board. You truly belong here.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], Angela Mailander
> > > > > <mailander111@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have no idea what you mean when you say, "And are these same
> > ideas
> > > > > being cloned onto splinter satsang groups?" As for your other
> > > > > question, "Are there significant parallels between the Third
> > Reich and
> > > > > Mahesh's spiritual movement, I'd say definitely there are.
Name any
> > > > > article of faith you find repeated in this town, name any of the
> > often
> > > > > repeated quotes of things Mahesh is supposed to have said, and
> > it was
> > > > > repeated and believed in Nazi Germany. They didn't call it
> > > > > enlightenment, but they were all striving to be the
Ubermensch. It
> > > > > meant basically the same thing. Devotion to the Guru was
important,
> > > > > and the Guru, for the SS, was Hitler. They thought of
themselves as
> > > > > pure warriors monks. They could get married, of course, but
they had
> > > > > to have permission from on high, and the girl had to pass
muster.
> > > > > Purity of the nervous system was purity of the blood. They
> > believed in
> > > > > karma, and in performing action established in Being. They
believed
> > > > > in detachment and they believed
> > > > > > in higher states of consciousness. They had nine of them.
Gotta
> > > > > run. a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 14, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, I totally agree. Hitler was used by those who still
want to
> > > > > establish the New World Order. In fact, he was told in those
exact
> > > > > terms, New World Order, that he would be "instrumental" in
> > > > > establishing it. He wasn't told that he'd only be a step
along the
> > > > > way, though. He believed he was to be the big enchilada---the
> > > > > thousand-year Reich was to be sat-yuga. The antisemitism was not
> > real
> > > > > in the same sense that the terrorists we're all afraid of
today are
> > > > > not real. Hitler needed a single enemy to focus the people's
> > attention
> > > > > on. There is even some evidence that Jews supplied him with the
> > > > > notion that they could be that single enemy. It's not conclusive
> > > > > evidence, but certainly the Warburgs were involved in it, in
> > spite of
> > > > > the fact that Paul Warburg lost two close relatives in the death
> > > > > camps. a
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are there really significant parallels between the Third
Reich and
> > > > > Mahesh "yogis" spiritual movement though? And are these same
ideas
> > > > > being cloned onto splinter satsang groups?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rick posted a very interesting link to a video which purported
> > to be
> > > > > by an ex-KGB agent which claimed groups like the KGB were
observing
> > > > > the TMO for ideas in undermining nations.
> >
>
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