--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Now, now. DOn't let the facts get in the way of the hate-fest... > > > > > > I don't think that there is hate here. People are just trying to > > > understand what's going on. No need to charge up the retoric. > > > Criticism sure, dislike sure, hate-fest, I doubt it. > > > > I see it a bit differently. Every time a negative story about MMY is > > recounted, there's a crowd of people here who automatically accept > > it as true. These same people automatically doubt or reject outright > > any positive story. > > One of the differences, Lawson, is that many if not > most of the people here are TM *teachers*,
It's interesting how you make still appeals to authority of being a teacher, even though you long ago left the movement. So much for elitarian thinking. No you are not a teacher anymore you have just been un-certified, eat it Unc. ;-> > as opposed > to the forum you're more used to. They've been around > the block a few times, heard all the stories, and have > found out for themselves how many of the "postive" ones > are a steaming pile of bull crap. And, more important, > they've been on the "front lines" for years or decades, > dealing with these same questions from others, telling > them the same bull crap, as they were taught to. In direct answer to Lawson, I just posted a few citations I happened to find this morning, and in thinking about sharing them somehow, it wasn't hard to find a thread here 'appropriate', - there is always one, always jumping into ones eye. Do I agree with MMY on every item? No, certainly not. But I have left TM long,long time ago, and after a period of distancing myself from some ideas, I have come to aprreciate its overall positive effect on my life. And above that, I know enough of the Vedic tradition to understand it in terms of these. IOW, if you are critzising a holy man (supposed he is holy of course, which no one knows for sure, neither to the positive nor to the negative), then you insult the gods, whom this person is walking with. Thats why in India people are careful of Sadhus. You shouldn't insult one, even if they are weird. It's not that *they* want anything bad to you then (as they maybe beyond ego) but there are entities feeling very protective about them, whom you call on then. The other point is that you hurt the feelings of those who are still, unlike you, in a Guru disciple relationship. You are simply being direspectful to them - and in your case out of no need at all, simply being intellectually mischievious. > Look at the home page for this group, at the "mission > statement" posted there. This is a place for people who > think for themselves, and are proud of that. And so am I. And thats exactly why I tell this here. It is my POV, I tell you the implications and the back up from the scriptures. So my POV is not one of intellectual immaturity, as you seem to suggest, but one of spiritual maturity, actually one of tolerance towards those who still follow the path I already left. > When some- > one comes here trying to impress by telling the same old > warmed-over tall tales we've heard for years, using > *exactly* the same words they were told in when we first > heard them, using *exactly* the same words *we* used when > *we* told them, or were *taught* to tell them, it doesn't > quite have the effect you are hoping for. I have used other words, but I doubt it will change a dot for you. > > Is there dissatisfaction here with Maharishi personally > and the TM organization? Well, duh? How could one be > a thinking individual looking at either dispassionately > and not feel some dissatisfaction? But how could this be an issue with you at all? You are not a part of the Org anymore, you use different techniques, just like I do, so what is YOUR concern about it, - except trashing those who believe? I hate this honestly, this is anti-devotional, and there is no reason for anybody to be like that. So, if you are called 'anti-TMer' think about why you are being called like that. You surely hurt people and their practise. And like others here (Vaj) try to spread confusion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
