Hi Akasha, great to see you back. Hope you are well. On Jun 15, 2005, at 9:29 PM, akasha_108 wrote:
> Ut oh Peter, now you have done it! You called CC "baby awakening". Tom > is going to go totally ballistic! I quoted you sometime back as CC > being "baby steps" and Tom lambsted me up and down for 3-4 posts as to > why there was nothing "baby" about it. But with Sat Yuga and all, > maybe things are mellower. You yourself are even making what you > previous called "huge epistimological mistakes!" and laughing it away. It's funny when you see these parrotings of TMO doctrine. What's so funny is that most aren't even aware that to a Samkhya practitioner turiyatita (CC) *IS* the big E! Really all that can be said is that this is the POV of Mahesh Yogi (this CC opinion)--because it certainly does not represent any lineal transmission. Most hilarious is the whole idea that there is a transition from CC to GC to UC. GC or Bhagavata-chetana is the style of enlightenment described by the Bhagavatins. The Bhagavatins were Vaishnavite Bhaktis--devotional practitioners from the cult of Vishnu! This is why when you study and practice from the perspective of the Shankaracharya trad. you will NOT find "GC" as part of any continuum of enlightenment. What these represent are different POV's--different darshanas. Advaita does show a path beyond turiyatita to videha-mukti (UC) but it ain't anything like M. claims. The idea of 7 states of consciousness is a fabrication of M.'s opinions. "Seven" may have been a more marketable concept than "six", but the idea that these 7 states represent a continuum is a novelty of Mahesh. > On a more serious note, do you singularly define CC as "Cessation of > identification of consciousness with mind. End of 'I' and 'me'"? Do > you feel "No I" is both nexcessary and sufficient to label the > experience "CC"? Without relying on dogmatic kneejerks, it does seems > there are additional "attributes" along with or beyond the experience > of "No I". Actually turiyatita or CC is said to occur with the complete DISSOLUTION of mind. Merely ceasing to identify with the mind would give a glimpse of "CC" perhaps, not the end result. The methods to perform this dissolution are not taught in the TMO so therefore it is crucial, if we are to maintain the illusion that the TM/TMSP actually can lead to enlightenment, that other false or novel ideas be presented. -Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
