Vaj, Some comments:
(1) Some time ago, during a discussion of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras, you referenced someone else's writings on CC (or perhaps turiyatita; this was someone in Patanjali's tradition from centuries ago, I believe). You made the comment that they described many characteristics of CC that MMY never does. You may have concluded that Maharishi doesn't really know what he was talking about due to these omissions. In any case, I've been curious ever since to find out from you some of these characteristics of CC that are not included in the canons of MMY. Other comments appear below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It's funny when you see these parrotings of TMO doctrine. What's >so funny is that most aren't even aware that to a Samkhya >practitioner turiyatita (CC) *IS* the big E! Really all that can >be said is that this is the POV of Mahesh Yogi (this CC opinion)-- >because it certainly does not represent any lineal transmission. >Most hilarious is the whole >idea that there is a transition from CC to GC to UC. GC or >Bhagavata-chetana is the style of enlightenment described by the >Bhagavatins. The Bhagavatins were Vaishnavite Bhaktis--devotional >practitioners from the cult of Vishnu! This is why when you study >and practice from the perspective of the Shankaracharya trad. you >will NOT find "GC" as part of any continuum of enlightenment. What >these represent are different POV's--different darshanas. Advaita >does show a path beyond turiyatita to videha-mukti (UC) but it >ain't anything like M. claims. (2) In this last sentence, what are you referring to when you say it isn't like M. claims? Are you referring to the path beyond turiyatita, the state of vidha-mukti, or both? (3) MMY has sometimes referred to what he calls GC as "Glorified Cosmic Consciousness", thus implying that it isn't really a distinct state, but is CC with refined perception and feeling. Regarding the path beyond turiyatita described by Advaita that you mentioned, are there no elements of refinement of perception or feeling included in that description? (4) Regarding "to a Samkhya practitioner turiyatita (CC) *IS* the big E!" and other comments that you made, are you implying that followers of a tradition who become "enlightened" always and only experience their enlightenment in terms of the POV of that tradition? (5) I have a personal opinion (not a strongly held belief), based on years of listening to MMY comment on people's experiences (years ago), that the CC/GC/UC model that he has laid out is, for him, an oversimplified model for the purpose of teaching to and inspiring large numbers of people. His comments on experiences make me believe that his own understanding is much more flexible, and takes into account a surprising number of characteristics and individual differences that are not included in the CC/GG/UC model. (6) I have a personal opinion, based on reading candid first person accounts of people who were not strongly connected to a tradition or a POV, that people do sometimes spontaneously experience, and describe in their own words, transitions that relate well to parts of the CC/GC/UC model, particularly the CC and UC parts. Or they may be connected to a tradition and a POV, but have experiences that go beyond what the POV offers as a "final" stage. They may also have experiences that do not relate well to the CC/GG/UC model, but that is another point. Vaj - your comments on these points would be most welcome. Also comments from others, if you like. Akasha? a To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
