--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > CC is well described as glorified ignorance, especially the early stages of it. But, Sparaig, you need to read your 'Gita a little more carefully regarding "I" and enlightenment. I suspect your understanding of enlightenment is based on intellect alone rather than on intellect and experience. The "I" never gets enlightened. How can it? You talk about presence of Self. What is Self? An object? A subject? For that matter, what is ignorance? No buzz words please. Derealization is a mental phenomena only, it has nothing to do with CC.
Perhaps, but to claim that CC means there is no I or me... Well, I fill in the blanks in my own way. > > sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:snip > > Actually, MMY has characterized CC as "merely normal," and > as "glorified ignorance." > > All that CC is is when there is 24/7 presence of Self. The claim > that "I" and "me" goes away is either a mis-identification of CC with > extreme unstressing resulting in pathological derealization, or a > misinterpretation of what MMY is describing. > > > > But with Sat Yuga and all, > > maybe things are mellower. You yourself are even making what you > > previous called "huge epistimological mistakes!" and laughing it > away. > > > > On a more serious note, do you singularly define CC as "Cessation of > > identification of consciousness with mind. End of 'I' and 'me'"? Do > > you feel "No I" is both nexcessary and sufficient to label the > > experience "CC"? Without relying on dogmatic kneejerks, it does > seems > > there are additional "attributes" along with or beyond the > experience > > of "No I". > > > > Though as you know I am no fan or labeling any experience or person > > with such labels, it seems that if one does enjoy that exercise, > they > > may be jumping the gun a bit to "ring the bell of Eureka" of CC > simple > > when experience "no I". But as people often remind me that I know > > nothing, I tend to agree. > > > > Though as Tom has claimed there are 58 million flavors of awakening > at > > the Awakening /IceCream store. I just wonder if plain vanilla is > > really the same as triple jamaca almond machadamion nut ghee-fudge > > blueberry mocha mintchip chavanaprash cherry saffron swirl with gold > > leaf topping? > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
