--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [...] > > > > The water, > > > Awareness is not noticably affected by the infusion of mud. its > > this quality that I see lacking in many reports of so called higher states. And in some behaviors. > > > > > > Very good point.
> But what behaviors show enlightenment? The discussion is not about enlightnement. Indeed I find it pointless to discuss something that no one on the list appears to be able to or willing to clearly and conisely define the term as they mean it or experience it. Other than Peter, who did offer up a nice concise personal definition -- but even he appears unwilling or unable to answer a simple follow-up question: is this attribute both necessary and sufficient? The above discussion is about an experience that may or may not have anything to do with enlightenment but is something I think many have experienced. Yet, I noted with interest, many /most enlightenment proponents do not include such descriptions in their discourses. The point was that some behaviors -- such as outburst of anger and frustration -- are counter to the experience of a substantial depth of Awareness present along with activity. The analogy used, which to me is very experientially real, parallel to the analogy, is that of a lake (corresponding to Awareness) -- when it is deep, mud that enters does not muddy the water and the water is still appreciated as clean and pure. Some will argue "Consciusness / Awareness has Nothing to do with behaviors such as anger!" I counter that yes that is true when the lake is shallow -- building on the analogy -- but there is a noticible lessening of such behavior when the lake becomes deeper. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
