---Actually I think your response makes my point since for you my
description of my experience of unboundedbess changing"isn't
really real,but really clever" while on the other hand I think my
experience of unboundedness has changed in the way I described.However
the way I described this change apparently doesn't make sense to you
and therefore doesn't seem "real" to you.Which of course points out
the difficulty if not the futility of trying to describe changes in
the experience of conciousness.I think this is one of the reasons why
its probably a good idea not to say too much about your expereinces.
Kevin




In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "shanti2218411" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > ---Part of the problem of sharing expereince is that when someone
> > tries to share their experience they must do so through their
> > interpretative system.Futher complicating this is tha fact that 
> terms
> > like unboundedness may mean one thing to one person and something 
> else
> > to another person(even if they are using the same interpretative
> > system).Infact in my own case the experience which I have called
> > unboundedness has changed over time so that what I meant by that 
> term
> > 10 yrs ago is not the same as what I meant by it now ie at first it
> > seemed to me that the mind was unbounded and now it seems like the
> > unbounded(awareness)is other than the mind.Kevin
> > 
> > 
> 
> My intuition is that this isn't really real, but really clever.
> 
> Just thought that I'd make that distinction, really.
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > > > Either I have had CC episodes and won't admit to them, or I 
> > > > haven't. 
> > > > > If I have, then my comments might make sense to others who 
> have had 
> > > > > CC episodes. If I haven't, then perhaps they won't.
> > > > > 
> > > > > My question to YOU: why do YOU care whether or not I have had 
> such 
> > > > > episodes?
> > > > 
> > > > Speaking only for myself, I'm 'way past the point 
> > > > where I pay attention to people who are merely
> > > > repeating what they have been told about enlight-
> > > > enment.  I'm only interested in people's personal
> > > > experiences with it, and comparing them to my own.
> > > > 
> > > Unc - boy does that ring a bell with me. Reading and hearng direct
> > > accounts is what interests me too. Getting those people to talk 
> can be
> > > a real task though (OSF). Even among those who write, intuition is
> > > still necessary to separate the real from the merely clever. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > JohnY





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