on 6/19/05 11:34 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Jun 19, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > >> on 6/19/05 7:26 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> In other words--it's a lot deeper that simple meditation this path, >>> and >>> yogic siddhis will block the path. >> >> So do you think MMY knew this and wanted to block people's CC, or >> disagreed >> with it and felt the sidhis would culture CC? > > No, I seriously doubt that Rick. What was needed was something that > would titillate and sell. You've heard the discussions here where those > privy to the creation the TMSP said so. M. even states clearly in an > early lecture that the means to CC was nirvakalpa samadhi. When we hear > of people going into samadhi for hours or days at a time and then THAT > becoming permanent then it will become believable.
I once heard a story, possibly from someone who witnessed the incident (but I'm not sure) that Maharishi and a few of his disciples were visiting another guru and a few of his. The other guru told one of his disciples to go into samadhi. After he had done so, the guru instructed his disciples to try to disturb him. They made noise, pushed him around, etc., but he was oblivious. The other guru asked M, "can any of your disciples do that?" M replied, "Not yet." > > The samkhya teaching which forms a kind of preface to the Patanjali > tradition is clear--you must collect and maintain certain virtues and > then the attainment siddhis (not the yogic siddhis) are naturally > accomplished. Eventually you will gain the capacity for seedless > meditation which will dissolve the kleshas and the samskaras. Then real > turiyatita/CC can become apparent. I like the idea that moral development must precede higher spiritual attainments. Otherwise those attainments can be misused. I wonder whether this is a recommendation or a requirement. We see so many examples of people who apparently have attained enlightenment doing screwy stuff (literally). Are they really enlightened, having skipped the requisite moral development (i.e., moral development is merely a recommendation) or self-deluded, misinterpreting a higher state as the ultimate one (i.e., moral development is a requirement)? Or is moral development too subjective a value to make such a determination? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
