--- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, that's all good and fine, but are you understanding this to mean that a realized person can not exhibit angry behavior? Why would that occur? Forget about me. Let's talk about MMY, somebody that, I assume, we can agree is Self-realized. Have you ever seen him royally pissed-off? I have. It is a sight to behold. Raw power. Many others on this list have seen him pissed-off too. Does that mean that he is not enlightened? Of course not. The understanding of the scripture is incorrect. It does mean an enlightened being can not get angry. >
The anger does not touch their essential nature. > anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Why would one take seriously an enlightenment > > > consisting of > > > aggregrevated anger? > > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > wrote: > > > In all seriousness, what does anger or the lack > > thereof have to do with enlightenment? Are you > > assuming enlightenment excludes anger? > > > > I don't know. > > What tradition / teacher has proclaimed you to be enlightened? Is the > Bhagavad-Gita part of their tradition? > > Gita-related traditions hold that anger not a good quality, and > certainly not one found in one who is "a sage of steady Prajna", has > fulfilled all desires, is not deluded, is "fully absorbed in Me > (Krishna), taking refuge in Me, and purified by the fire of > Self-knowledge, many have attained Me", "a yogi and a happy person", > "a Self-realized person who has subdued the mind and senses [and who] > easily attains nirvana, "a sage [who] is verily liberated", "endowed > with divine virtues", "one [who] becomes fit for attaining oneness > with Brahman ... Absorbed in Brahman", "liberated from these three > gates of hell... and attains the supreme goal". > > > Bhagavad-Gita > > 2:56 A person whose mind is unperturbed by sorrow, who does not crave > pleasures, and who is free from attachment, fear, and ANGER; such a > person is called a sage of steady Prajna. (2.56) > > One develops attachment to sense objects by thinking about sense > objects. Desire for sense objects comes from attachment to sense > objects, and ANGER comes from unfulfilled desires. (2.62) > > Delusion arises from ANGER. The mind is bewildered by delusion. > Reasoning is destroyed when the mind is bewildered. One falls down > (from the right path) when reasoning is destroyed. (2.63) > > The Supreme Lord said: It is Kaama and ANGER born of Rajo Guna. Kaama > is insatiable and is a great devil. Know this as the enemy. (3.37) > > Kaama, the passionate desire for all sensual and material pleasures, > becomes ANGER if it is unfulfilled. As the fire is covered by smoke, > as a mirror by dust, and as an embryo by the amnion, similarly the > Self-knowledge gets obscured by Kaama. (3.38) > > Freed from attachment, fear, and ANGER; fully absorbed in Me, taking > refuge in Me, and purified by the fire of Self-knowledge, many have > attained Me. (4.10) > > One who is able to withstand the impulse of lust and ANGER before > death is a yogi, and a happy person. (5.23) > > A Self-realized person who is free from lust and ANGER, and who has > subdued the mind and senses easily attains nirvana. (5.26) > > With senses, mind, and intellect under control; having liberation as > the prime goal; free from lust, ANGER, and fear; such a sage is verily > liberated. (5.28) > > The Supreme Lord said: Fearlessness, purity of heart, perseverance in > the yoga of knowledge, charity, sense restraint, sacrifice, study of > the scriptures, austerity, honesty; (16.01) > Nonviolence, truthfulness, absence of ANGER, renunciation, equanimity, > abstaining from malicious talk, compassion for all creatures, freedom > from greed, gentleness, modesty, absence of fickleness; (16.02) > Splendor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, absence of malice, and > absence of pride; these are the qualities of those endowed with divine > virtues, O Arjuna. (16.03) > > Bound by hundreds of ties of desire and enslaved by lust and ANGER; > they strive to obtain wealth by unlawful means for the fulfillment of > desires. They think: (16.12) > This has been gained by me today, I shall fulfill this desire, this is > mine and this wealth also shall be mine in the future; (16.13) > > Clinging to egoism, power, arrogance, lust, and ANGER; these malicious > people hate Me (who dwells) in their own body and others' bodies. (16.18) > I hurl these haters, cruel, sinful, and mean people of the world, into > the wombs of demons again and again. (16.19) > > Lust, ANGER, and greed are the three gates of hell leading to the > downfall (or bondage) of Jeeva. Therefore, one must (learn to) give up > these three. (16.21) > One who is liberated from these three gates of hell, O Arjuna, does > what is best, and attains the supreme goal. (16.22) > > Relinquishing egotism, violence, pride, lust, ANGER, and desire for > possession; free from the notion of "my", and peaceful; one becomes > fit for attaining oneness with Brahman. (18.53) > Absorbed in Brahman, the serene one neither grieves nor desires; > becoming impartial to all beings, one obtains My supreme devotion. (18.54) > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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