--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltabl...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard M" <compost1uk@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > > > > > > <but actual provable lies.> > > > > > > This standard is absurd in this context. I'll give you the ones that > > > I know he made in my movement career that effected me personally. I > > > am in no position to "prove" any of these to you especially > > > considering your own bias. > > > > You're playing fast and loose with the distinction between falsehoods > > and lies. That's not as "deep" as your usual thinking IMO! > > > > If I say to you "tomorrow I think it might snow some", and then it > > doesn't. What do you think - that I LIED to you? A child might think > > that of its parent. "Mummy you lied to me, you promised snow!". > > Agreed. The reneging on course promises directly made were outright > lies, or were turned into lies by his lack of integrity to be a man of > his word. The other things have other possibilities of > interpretation. I am offering mine. > > The whole challenge had an absurd premise, I was playing along. We > each choose the credibility of Maharishi's claims from our > interactions with the guy. In my case his lack of integrity with the > truth had strong financial repercussions. > > > > > Or... a disciple might think that of his God. But do you see that? YOU > > made MMY your god, then you turn against him for being human! > > No. All humans don't renege on financial arrangements. Only > dishonest ones. > > > > > I admit I was more than a TB in the past than I am now - but I never, > > never, thought MMY was my god or even my guru (or that he asked that > > of me). > > You were not fulltime on Purusha or Sidhaland I assume? For us it was > quite clear what our relationship was.
I was on Sidhaland. That most certainly was NOT made to clear to me. I think a lot of my comrade sidhas felt as I did, but it is true (and I think it was wrong) that many, many "deified" MMY. But I didn't see that as his fault frankly, distasteful as it was. Maybe my bad, who knows. > > > > > CC in usually experienced in 7 years. > > > > > > 3 years in Sidhaland to master the sidhis. (Directly promised to > > > people who signed on.) > > > > > > The third generation of crops from the seeds we saved grown on > > > sidhaland would grow into amazing plants. > > > > > > Three years of unpaid labor at sihaland would pay for TTC. > > > > > > MIU students would have their phase I and II honored after their > > > graduation if they finished their degrees. Again directly promised to > > > us right from Switzerland in a directly answered question. Right after > > > graduation he said our TTC phase I and II from MIU was not valid and > > > we had to do them both again. > > > > > > That his teachers would have their ATR credits gained from their hard > > > work of initiations honored instead of being eliminated after the > fact. > > > > > > He doesn't care about money because his dhoti had no pockets. > > > > > > People would actually fly with his flying sutra. > > > > > > That TM improves people's social behavior. > > > > > > That TM makes people more creative or intelligent. > > > > > > That TM and Ayur Veda gives you perfect health when his last decade's > > > health was pathetic. > > > > > > That's off the top of my head. Your challenge is ridiculous because > > > we all decide for ourselves how credible the guy was. You have your > > > own standards and I have mine. But if you lived in his fulltime > > > organization you saw promises given and reneged on time after time. It > > > usually involved money. OURS becoming HIS. > > > > > > > yes, cling desperately-- you come across as this super reasonable, > > > > i'm ok, you're ok guy most of the time, curtis, but if someone > > > > challenges your blind spot biases, its a whole nother story. > > > > > > I don't know what blind spot you think you have challenged. I think > > > it is likely that a famous guy like Maharishi banged some chicks. You > > > don't. Where is the blind spot? I'm not clinging to anything, I > > > could be wrong. So could you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > i am curious why some of those here, like Vaj, and Curtis and > > > > > > geezerfreak and Barry feel it is so important to cling > > > > deperately to > > > > > > the possibility that the Maharishi was a liar in terms of his > > > > sex life? > > > > > > > > > > "Cling desperately" huh? The guy lied about all sorts of stuff > > > > > > > > yes, cling desperately-- you come across as this super reasonable, > > > > i'm ok, you're ok guy most of the time, curtis, but if someone > > > > challenges your blind spot biases, its a whole nother story. > > > > > > > > ok, you're on, please list five things that you can prove the > > > > Maharishi lied about. not differences of opinion, or quotes out of > > > > context, but actual provable lies. > > > > > > > > > >
