--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71" <waybac...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > > > > <but actual provable lies.> > > > > This standard is absurd in this context. I'll give you the ones that > > I know he made in my movement career that effected me personally. I > > am in no position to "prove" any of these to you especially > > considering your own bias. > > > > > > CC in usually experienced in 7 years. > > > > 3 years in Sidhaland to mteaster the sidhis. (Directly promised to > > people who signed on.) > > > > The third generation of crops from the seeds we saved grown on > > sidhaland would grow into amazing plants. > > > > Three years of unpaid labor at sihaland would pay for TTC. > > > > MIU students would have their phase I and II honored after their > > graduation if they finished their degrees. Again directly promised to > > us right from Switzerland in a directly answered question. Right after > > graduation he said our TTC phase I and II from MIU was not valid and > > we had to do them both again. > > > > That his teachers would have their ATR credits gained from their hard > > work of initiations honored instead of being eliminated after the fact. > > This deserves details. This was a HUGE event that people who weren't there and teaching > TM can't understand fully. I think it happened around 1974. For thoe who weren't there: > teachers had been teaching TM fulltime, most for years, earning 'ATR" credits. You got > one credit for each person you initiated. MMY and the TMO policy was that for every 100 > ATR credits earned you could go on an ATR course for free (ATR courses were for teachers > and MMY wanted teachers on one at least once a year for 2 weeks to rest up). Most > teachers worked very hard and saved up their ATR credits, and of course the money paid > to teachers was not much, so the ATR was part of your "salary." All of a sudden, ATR > credits you had already earned were devalued - so those who had worked so hard > suddenly could not go on an ATR course and had to keep working. In effect, it was a large > retroactive salary cut and no one was allowed to protest. If you even questioned this, it > was bad form and you could be "reported." > > Furthermore, in another devaluation a few years later (1978?), some people had saved up > ATR credits for years in order to be able to afford to go on the 6 month course or even a 2 > month course to get the siddhis. These teachers saved for a few YEARS in good faith. > Suddenly, those credits were worth very little. Some people had even bought these credits > from others for their market value at the time of several thousand dollars (this buying of > credits was allowed by the TMO) and then, presto - these credits were no good at all, as I > recall. I think they were worthless and only cash was accepted for courses (I could be > wrong about this). When this happened, many teachers felt betrayed again and angry and > lost faith in the whole thing. Many decided not to be emplyed by the TMO any longer and > moved on (now i can see some here thinking that this was what MMY wanted and it was > good for the teachers). > > The context of when these things happened: Initiations were high and the TMO was > making a great deal of money - they paid teachers very little, provided no benefits > whatsoever, not even social security or unemployment, and so you had to wonder what > was going on here. > > My take: if it is all part of the big plan and we are just players in the drama, fine and > dandy. Part of that plan is that I don't like to hang out with people who treat others in > unkind or dishonest ways. I mentioned to a few TB's even recently that they would not be > friends with anyone who has treated others the way the TMO and MMY treated people. > They agreed and said it was beyond their ken. As far as I am concerned,TM "works", MMY > was enlightened and amazing, but the relative side was unsavory to say the least, judging > by normal standards of fairness. I know there was financial sleaze and many were hurt, > and I believe there was sexual stuff too, most likely. We can argue about whether it is ok > to look the other way or make excuses, but we cannot deny that the financial stuff > happened. It is a fact. > thanks for the best post so far on all of this, in my opinion.
i am still of the belief that no one ever got rich in the TM movement, that the TMO was, and is, chronically overextended, underfunded, and managed by the most devout vs. the most competent, to say the least.
