> person again and again one begins to wonder why one answered in the
> first place. Yes I was initiated into TMĀ© Judy way back in 1974...I
was
> 15 at the time...TTC not until the early 80's...

I'm sorry to hear that.  If you did in fact ever
learn and practice TM, you're the poster boy for
the need for checking, because you've forgotten
just about everything in the oral driver's manual
you spoke of.
 
------Actually, until you have taken Dzogchen teachings you really can't speak on effortlessness, surrender, or simplicity.


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