On May 31, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradh...@...> wrote:
On May 31, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
--- In [email protected], "Alex Stanley"
<j_alexander_stanley@> wrote:
Oh, I'm sorry, I must have missed the restriction on
this thread that any example of not being content with
Here And Now has to be an exact analog of TMers not
being content with Here And Now.
I mentioned the TM thang because it's usually
the only way to get the people on this forum
to respond to a broader question. :-)
The broader question is spiritual movements
and spiritual teachers who "sell futures"
Are there spiritual movements/teachers who *aren't* selling some
kind of modified future? It seems to me that they all do it, whether
it's a future with perfected siddhis, rainbow body, kundalini
markers, samadhi, enlightenment, Waking Down brand Second Birth
Awakening, an afterlife in heaven instead of hell, or whatever. Even
Eckhard Tolle, with his Power of Now, is selling a future where
people are content with Here and Now.
If I follow your logic, then all paths are causal?
I'm not familiar with the term 'causal' as applied to spiritual
paths. Barry posed the question of paths that sell the future, and
on the basis of my perception that they all do (however limited my
perception may be) I inquired if there are paths that don't.
A causal path is a gradual path where the result may be glimpsed
along the way, but the end result is in the future. Such paths can be
described as having a structure View (the way-of-seeing) -> Path ->
Fruit (or realization).
What about acausal pathless paths?
I don't know what those are. Would that be something along the
lines of U.G. Krishnamurti?
In a pathless path one gains the perspective or View of realization,
the Fruit, from the beginning; and then applies the Fruit as the
Path. Since the Path in this case is the Fruit, there really is no
path per se, you're already there; that's why it's a pathless path.
I only have some passing familiarity with Krishnamurti, they sound
similar based on what I remember. I just remember reading some
Krishnamurti when I was an avid TMer and I just remember being
offended! Pretty funny how things change.
