--- In [email protected], "BillyG." <wg...@...> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > "When someone has been put on a 'Long-Term TMers
> > Watch List' to be viewed as an example of what TM
> > really produces in its practitioners vs. what it
> > claims to produce, and reacts to that by resorting
> > even MORE name-calling and reactivity and defens-
> > iveness than ever, what does THAT say about the
> > long-term effects of TM?"
> 
> It takes a long time for the complete transformation 
> of character, you must remember habits go back many 
> lifetimes, a few years of TM isn't going to erase 
> lifetimes of bad habits. Mental and physical health 
> may improve immediately, but the overall character 
> defects that keep us bound take more time.......30 
> to 40 years of TM is what I call "a good start".

Why is it then that studies on the effects of
mindfulness meditation, both with "people off
the street" and in *prisons*, ferchrissakes,
report radical changes within a few weeks? One
of the reasons that mindfulness is being intro-
duced into so many environments is *because*
people who practice it become testably less 
reactive and prone to getting their buttons
pushed within such a short time.

Please explain to me why this is true of a 
"lesser" form of meditation and is NOT true of
"the most effective form of meditation in the
world," as TM has characterized itself for
decades. I'll wait.



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