WillyTex wrote: > > Duveyoung wrote: > > Fine, don't believe me, who fucking cares... > > > It not so much that I don't believe you, Edg, > although you are a known liar, but that nobody > else has reported that they heard the Marshy > say anything about promising them enlightenment > in 5-7 years.
Willy, ya can't get enough new folks hating you? Ya gotta keep coming back to me to get your punishment for being a trolling thug whose only reason for existence is to be ridiculed? Okay, I only have a few posts left, but I think it's important, at regular intervals, to put on the FFL front burner this promise of the TMO. It goes to the heart of the issue of TMO integrity. The easy reply to Willy's post is to paste and quote the statements of others here, and my work is done. FFL's saint, L.B.Shriver, and others gave testimony. Here's him and them recalling the concept's use in message #21700. Re: 7 lifetimes to reach Nirvikalpa Samadhi! --- In [email protected] <../../../../post?postID=upQHIXMf93LR2qk4aPw9PCOgs-DwJB3U5pMVFp3F4CuvMZX\ bq2h_qYHDiUnNqxp_CMoRMkU1RZlbsvvb_G3U9fNqmg> , l_b_shri...@y... wrote: > At the Mallorca course ('72) he said: "Five to eight years? Without long r= > ounding it > could take a million lifetimes." Shankara's Viveka-chuuDaa-maNi has a figure like this: "shata-janma-koTi". Well, "koTi" (kaw-tee) means, if memory serves, 10 millions; "shata-janma" means 'a hundred births'. This seems to make one billion, or stuff?? > > This came as quite a shock to the majority of the teacher trainees. > > L B S > > --- In [email protected] <../../../../post?postID=upQHIXMf93LR2qk4aPw9PCOgs-DwJB3U5pMVFp3F4CuvMZX\ bq2h_qYHDiUnNqxp_CMoRMkU1RZlbsvvb_G3U9fNqmg> , "omg213" <omg...@y...> wrote: > > In 1967, at public lectures M. gave in Berkeley, they passed out a > > black and white pamphlet at the entrance to the hall with M.'s picture > > prominent on the cover, stating in a header line (paraphrasing) "A 5 > > year plan for the students of the world to gain to cosmic > > consciousness". The plan was 20min 2x, and periodic residence courses. > > > > A friend of mine in LA said tha M told them at UCLA in 1966 the same, > > but had also added, "and fasting one day a week". But the fasting part > > was later dropped. > > > > As I recall at Squaw Valley in 68, the 5 years to cc was mainstream > > orthodoxy. It was a common belief by many at that course that 5 years > > was all it took. > > > > At Humboldt 70, some student was very persistent with M. stating that > > almost all other traditions say it takes lifetimes to gain > > enlightenment, etc. He pressed and pressed. M. would not budge about > > the 5 years (maybe it had become 5-8 years by then). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <../../../../post?postID=upQHIXMf93LR2qk4aPw9PCOgs-DwJB3U5pMVFp3F4CuvMZX\ bq2h_qYHDiUnNqxp_CMoRMkU1RZlbsvvb_G3U9fNqmg> , l_b_shri...@y... wrote: > > > --- In [email protected] <../../../../post?postID=upQHIXMf93LR2qk4aPw9PCOgs-DwJB3U5pMVFp3F4CuvMZX\ bq2h_qYHDiUnNqxp_CMoRMkU1RZlbsvvb_G3U9fNqmg> , Rick Archer <r...@s...> wrote: > > > > on 3/19/04 10:47 AM, Phil Goldberg at p...@p... wrote: > > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, I too was at Estes Park and do not remember > > the 5-= > > > 8 year > > > > > program being in the checking notes or anything else we were > > asked to t= > > > each. > > > > > Then again, maybe I conveniently ignored it. Or maybe Rick's > > memory is= > > > better > > > > > than mine. > > > > > > > > > Or maybe not. Maybe someone can dig out some old TTC notes and see > > whethe= > > > r > > > > it¹s in there. > > > > > > ***** > > > > > > My notes for 3 nights of checking (Fiuggi 72, dictated by Guy > > Hatchard) inc= > > > lude one > > > reference in the third night, right at the end. Under the "Vision of > > Future= > > > Activities", > > > the first point emphasizes regularity of practice and mentions the > > "5-8 yea= > > > r program > > > [fertilizer]". > > > > > > "Fertilizer" is the word sometimes applied to advanced techniques. > > The move= > > > ment did > > > at that time talk about a "5-8 year program to unfold one's full > > potential"= > > > . That might > > > reasonably be construed as "enlightenment", but it would be possible > > to arg= > > > ue > > > otherwise. > > > > > > L B S
