On Jul 10, 2004, at 8:14 AM, Llundrub wrote: > > On Jul 9, 2004, at 11:24 PM, Llundrub wrote: > > > ----That's all you can come back at me with? TM is secret mantra. > The > > pearl was thrown before a swine, and now, while you wrestle with > > Vajravarahi you still don't see her. Fool. Argue with your self. > > Noone here is home. > > Your post was barely worth responding to. > > While there *is* a mantrayana path in Hinduism, TM ain't it dude. Where > is the Body as the form of deity, > > ------Ones own body is form of the deity. > > > the Voice as the seed syllable--the > deity of sound and the Mind as symbolic attribute of all thinking? > > ------Ones own voice is sound of the deity. > > > > Where is the mandala, refuge and the four initiations? > > > ------Ones body is the mandala. Ones awareness is the refuge. Four > initiations. In more elaborate tantras they might have seven plus > four times two = fifteen. You muddle shit together only to obfuscate, > not to clarify.
Whether something clarifies or not depends on who's listening. You just don't seem to get it. You've been told this many times on various dharma lists--the ones you haven't been kicked off of or stormed out of in anger. Do some practice, then maybe you'll get if you can let go of all these preconceptions and projections. Honestly, that's the nicest thing I can say to you right now. > This is merely egoism Dude. Yes, your above attempt at an explanation is just that IMO--ego. > They don't exist in TM--nor do many of the other characteristics of > secret mantra. > > > ---------For all your fanatical esotericism you never seem to get > respect, and that's for one reason, nothing you say smacks of truth or > realization. What you "think" and what's really going on are obviously two different things. You haven't a clue. You also have no idea what my realizations are or what has transpired in years of retreat. The reason you have no idea is because I do not bandy them about here or there like prizes. I realize that is the fashion, but I ain't wearing it. Best wishes, Vaj To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
