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From: Vaj
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi effect (was Re: Unprecedented Nature Support?)


On Jul 9, 2004, at 11:24 PM, Llundrub wrote:

> ----That's all you can come back at me with?  TM is secret mantra. The
> pearl was thrown before a swine, and now, while you wrestle with
> Vajravarahi you still don't see her. Fool.  Argue with your self.
> Noone here is home.

Your post was barely worth responding to.

While there *is* a mantrayana path in Hinduism, TM ain't it dude. Where
is the Body as the form of deity,
 
------Ones own body is form of the deity.
 
 
the Voice as the seed syllable--the
deity of sound and the Mind as symbolic attribute of all thinking?
 
------Ones own voice is sound of the deity.
 
 

Where is the mandala, refuge and the four initiations?
 
 
------Ones body is the mandala. Ones awareness is the refuge. Four initiations.  In more elaborate tantras they might have seven plus four times two = fifteen.  You muddle shit together only to obfuscate, not to clarify. This is merely egoism Dude. I can't remember the last post you made where something was made clear or brought to light.


They don't exist in TM--nor do many of the other characteristics of
secret mantra.
 
 
---------For all your fanatical esotericism you never seem to get respect, and that's for one reason, nothing you say smacks of truth or realization.
 
I liked you initially because you seemed less of an atiyoga fanatic than most, but now I see it was merely a cover. You are not universal, nor are you liberal, in realization, seeking universal truth, or speaking it.  You're just another bookish egomaniac.
 
I am saying these things not out of hatred or anger, but because I feel sorry for you.  Being a pompous ass is not liberation.
 
 


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