--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > <snip> > > Lots of conditioning in the 2nd lecture (Bubble diagram) 2nd > > day-checking (Theory of Stress-release), group-effect. > > enlightenment, 'scientific validation', everything, every little > > thing is conditioning. You will realize this only when you leave TM > > or join a different group with different spiritual ideas. > > Conditioning is not always bad, one kind of conditioning can undo > > another kind (thorn removes thorn) > > Depending on exactly how you're defining > "conditioning," I would question whether > you can't become aware of conditioning > unless you leave the source.
You could, but generally you aren't. This is just my experience. This has to do with being in a group, or even if it isn't physical, of conforming to a group idea. > > I would also question whether coming to > believe that something one has been taught > is true is always a function of conditioning. > Again, maybe it depends on how you're defining > the term, but you seem to be ruling out the > possibility that one can be taught something, > accept it provisionally (or even remain > skeptical) for a time, and only become > convinced of it on the basis of one's own > experience and observation. See, we maybe conditioned to stop the car when the traffic lights turn red. You can provisionally accept it, validate it as true, based on observation etc. The conditioning is that you connect two facts, the red traffic lights, and the need to stop the car. There is nothing wrong with it, and still it is a conditioning. It is so on the basis of a fact being connected to a signal. This deep identification of the fact with the signal is a conditioning, so that when we see a red light, we become attentive etc. You see that the correlation does not have to be wrong, it can have its meaning, but as soon as it creates a reaction in our brain, you can call it conditioning. > If one arrives at a conclusion by such a > process, I wouldn't call it conditioning. I would. You can only know how opinions direct and limit your mind, when you are free of those very opinions. I am not saying that this conditioning cannot have a valueable function, but on top of that it also has a limiting function. IMHO there is a point in time, where you have to free yourself from them and see there limiting value. Thats my experience upon leaving the Movement. I realized, that I wasn't just meditating (and switched to a different form of it) but I realized that there was still the old TM conditioning, and in order to be happy with a different spiritual process and functioning, I had to free myself of it. I don't blame TM. We all build our prisons ourselves, we are looking for them, we demand them, as they give us security. I think its unrealistic to be aware, fully aware of a certain conditioning, and still live according to it. Its unnatural. It can't work. Its like you do something against your beliefs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
