--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> > Again, if you can state with authority and provide evidence that the
> > CIA formally cleared Rove to have access to information of the IDs 
> of 
> > covert CIA opperative, then Rove meets one criteria for prosecution.
> > Another would be that Plame was actually a covert op, that  per
> > authors of the statute say she was not. Several other reqs apply, 
> but
> > lets deal with these first.
> 
> Sigh, the Pres can clear whomever he wants to know whatever he wants 
> them to know. 


And the sky is blue. Now, let both of us get back to relevant points.

Rove could have found out about Plame by overhearing a bathroom
discussion. Scooter Libby could have told him on the "hush hush". Rove
might have accidently seen a memo referencing this. If Rove found out
in these ways, he cannot be prosecutted.

If Chenny told him (having clearnace) and Rove did not have it, Cheny
can be prosecutted but not Rove. There are lots of possibilities here.

Bush may have told him, and then told Tennnat to give Rove clearnace
for such info. In this case, Rove could be prosecutted. 

Lots of possibilities here. One piece of the puzzle is did Rove in
fact have formal clearance. It does not "solve" the case, but is an
important piece of the puzzle. So, again, if you can state with
authority and provide evidence that the CIA formally cleared Rove to
have access to information of the IDs of covert CIA opperative, then
Rove meets at least one criteria for prosecution.


> > Another would be that Plame was actually a covert op, that  per
> > authors of the statute say she was not. Several other reqs apply, 
> but lets deal with these first.
> 
> And the CIA would know betterthan the drafters of a regulation 
> whether or not a specific person was "undercover" according to THEIR 
> definitions.

It may be a fantasy of yours that the CIA passes legislation, but it
is not yet the case. The statue, as I understand listening to Sanford
yesterday -- one of the drafters, is that the statute defined "covert
agent" in a limited, tight and precise way. And Plame does not fit
that definition.  If the statute does not cover Plame,  then "outing"
Plame does not violate the statute.

 Unless the bill defines "undercover" in an unusual way, 
> the agency would be the one to consult on that matter, not the 
> lawmakers.

No, if there is a dispute, it is handled by the judiciary, not the
CIA. At least not yet.

IMO Rove acted in a sleazy scuzzball way by messing with classified
information and leaking it to reporters. I think he may, well
deservedly be, in deep political shit, depending on how the case
unfolds. It just seems that according the the quite focussed and
limited statute, per the available facts to date, Rove has a limited
vulnerability to prosecution. 




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