--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], off_world_beings 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > > Wait.  Tibetans??  How would they have acquired the
> > > > > necessary sailing skills?  Did they have a 
> > > > > tradition of exploration?  Would they have been
> > > > > monkish types, or merchant types?>>>
> > > > 
> > > > There is evidence that the Chinese had huge sailing ships 
and 
> > may 
> > > > have travelled the world in them. Tibetan and Chinese 
cultures 
> > were 
> > > > not so far apart as they are today. They would be more 
> > interwoven.
> > > 
> > > But the Chinese have sea coast; the Tibetans don't.
> > > Hence my question about how the Tibetans would have
> > > acquired the necessary sailing skills.>>>
> > 
> > Note the above statement ( also mentioned by Rory.)
> > ""Tibetan and Chinese cultures were not so far apart as they are 
> > today. They would be more interwoven.""
> 
> I had in mind the geographical distance, not
> the cultural distance.  (And Rory didn't say
> anything about Chinese and Tibetan cultures
> being interwoven.)
> 
> If you don't know or don't feel like explaining,
> fine, but it's a perfectly reasonable question.
> 
> Rory didn't deal specifically with the issue of
> how the Tibetans would have gained seafaring
> experience when they don't have a seacoast, which
> is what I was asking.>>

Well, sorry for that. One of the assumptions that I was talking 
about previously that we have all been spoon fed is that because a 
culture is deep inland it must have been be sea-faring inept. This 
is unlikely since Tibetans travelled far and wide. Buddhism 
naturally spread across Tibet and China for the sole reason that 
they were not really distinct and travelled with ease. Ancient 
humans were Master Travellers. If the emporers of China lived on the 
East coast, and the Chinese had ships easily capable of crossing 
oceans without a big hoohaa, then we might say 'the Chinese knew how 
to sail oceans'. That means those living in the West of China 
also... the educated ones... would have known and even seen or 
travelled with this method. Tibet was essentially part of China, or 
a province, and there really is no difference in the interchange of 
knowledge. Add to that that Tibetans were educated and known to 
travel and encouraged this as part of their spiritual tradition it 
seems normal to me, though not as obvious as say those living by the 
coast. Then you have to delve in to Sanskrit, and the Vedas, to see 
that the concept of the ocean and travelling the ocean was not 
foreign to people livng in Afghanisthan and the Pakistani Mountains 
(near Tibet/China). Ancient humans were Master Travellers.

> He did point out that there was a land bridge from
> Siberia at various points, but jeepers, that's a
> *gigantic* distance.
> 
> > > That's another assumption I didn't make, by the way.>>
> 
> > Who said you did?
> 
> Who said somebody said I did?>>

She said she said it and he said they witnessed it.


> 
> > > The assumption I *do* make--and please enlighten
> > > me if it's incorrect--is that groups who lived far
> > > inland were less likely to be seafarers. >>
> > 
> > The nature of your question suggests a you are not interested in 
> > the answer, but in something to argue about.
> 
> Wow.  I'm curious as to how I could have asked
> it that wouldn't have led you to infer I wasn't
> interested in the answer.  I asked Rory the same
> question; didn't seem to bother him any.
>>>

If you have a question and are interested in it then there is no 
problem.





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