Curtis,

Your deconstruction is so perfect, and the ears you speak to so deaf to it.

Why did you go through all the below trouble?  Just funzies?

I let rip with a short quick bitch about this, but look at the time you put in 
-- gotta be love, gotta be service unto ?, gotta be something in ya that's 
glowing, so good on ya fer that.

To me, this guy un-had me at Poneman -- birds of a feather is one of the most 
powerful memes what am, and I would warn anyone who discounts it that they do 
so at their peril.

Edg



--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltabl...@...> 
wrote:
>
> These claims are usefull in examining when scientific ignorance becomes 
> scientific fraud.
> 
> --- In [email protected], "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote:
> >
> > Comments from someone in FF:
> >   
> > 
> > Trivedi/Guruji  was in Fairfield this past weekend.  He offers blessings to
> > both groups and individuals.  Huge crowd on Wednesday the 17th at Sondheim.
> > Then smaller crowd at Morning Star on Sat the 20th, more individual
> > attention.  
> > 
> > He's returning to FF on April 18.  Group sessions are $15-25.  Still
> > powerful.
> > Some knowledge, etc. from him:
> 
> No problems here.  Sprititul claims need no more support than assertions that 
> the undifined "blessings" are taking place.
> 
> > 
> > Earth changing consciousness faster than individuals.  Mother Earth's
> > frequency is alpha.
> 
> This claim is getting warmer. Alpha is a specific frequency so it should 
> require some description of the measurment used to make it meaningful.  It is 
> sciency sounding but meaningless without context.
> 
>   If we resonate with Her, then She can meet Her
> > responsibility of taking care of us. 
> 
> Spiritual claim,none of my business.
>  
> > 
> > People immediately shift to alpha when being blessed by Trivedi.  MUM
> > scientist Alaric Arenander tested his wife Cynthia who's been rounding for
> > 3+ years.  Her alpha, already high, increased with eyes closed, then
> > dramatically increased when Trivedi did blessing.
> 
> Here we start to cross the line of using specific terms that are measurable 
> to give more credence to the spiritual claims.  Without establishing anything 
> to compare this measurement to it is meaningless.  Does Benny Hin get the 
> same results? Does alpha increase when other people say sweet things to a 
> person who is hooked up?  No metric is given and no context to understand the 
> claim.  And what is the standard deviation of these measurments to determine 
> their statistical significance?
> 
> > 
> > Conductivity is very important word on this planet, ability to flow energy.
> > 5% of people are super conductors, 20% good conductors.  Depends on receiver
> > having low resistance.
> 
> I'm gunna just substitute having low resistance with suggestibility.
> 
> > 
> > Trivedi's blessings kick out radioactivity
> 
> Specific claim.  Highly misleading without a metric of measurement.
> 
>  and GMO, even in next generation.
> > Experiments show that he can change size of atom, increase energy bt atoms
> 
> Yeah, this is just too bogus to even warrent being called deceptive. I 
> picture Jim Carry talking out of his butt.
> 
> > 
> > Experiments also show that:
> > his pituitary is egg-shaped and larger than other humans
> 
> Bingo!  Now we are in the completely misleading claims area. First of all 
> what is the statistical mean for pituitary size?  Does the distibution of 
> size follow a bell curve which would mean that half the population has larger 
> ones?  Since I am not a neuro-scientist I have no way to evaluate this claim. 
> For all I know big pituitary is correlated with forms of retardation.  A big 
> thyroid is a bad thing.  What does this mean?  And this assumes that someone 
> actually did an MRI to evaluate this size and shape.  A person with the 
> training to present this information in a context where it could be 
> reasonably evaluated. But that does not seem to be the qoal.  The goal is to 
> bamboozle with science words in a an undefined context with no hope of 
> perspective on its meaning. They are drawing the bullseye around the arrow.  
> They find something that is different (how much?) and claim it is evidence of 
> his specialness.
> 
> > skin elasticity better than new born baby
> > no plaque in arteries at age of 46
> 
> This is subject to all the above complaints.  What is this compared to? I am 
> reminded of the Afghan folk song:
> 
> "There is a boy across the river with a bottom like a peach, but alas I 
> cannot swim."
> 
> What does his peach bottom mean?
> If he is Indian his higher melinan in his skin makes this easier than my own 
> background of Irish and French with skin so white I glow like an Iphone in a 
> movie theater.  Dermatoligists have raved about my skin and I am 7 years 
> older. It is genetic and I don't smoke, big deal. And I have fantastic 
> arteries without a vegitarian diet so I can match that claim too.  What is 
> being claimed about his specialness? How do these comparitive measurements 
> relate to the rest of society? These claims of his physical specialness are 
> presented in a misleading way with zero context.
> 
> > sympathetic and parasympathetic systems run simultaneously
> 
> Everybody's does, this is rediculous.
> 
> > does not breathe from diaphragm
> 
> And that is a good thing? He has shallow shoulder breath? What is being 
> claimed?
> 
> 
> > 
> > FF people reported less fear, more happiness, more blissful yogic flying.
> > Final output of blessing is more happiness in all areas of life.  Less
> > mental restlessness, more calm, better sleep. 
> 
> Here we find the technique of panacea claims. Anything can be considered 
> evidence after seeing him. On any given day pay attention to yourself and 
> some things will be better and some things will be worse.  With the filter of 
> "what got better" you will come up with something.  The deception is 
> heightened by the conflation of simultaneity with causation which is 
> completely scientifically bogus.
> 
> This is all scientific method 101, these are not subtle points and I am a 
> layman. But the presentation of these claims is using the words of science to 
> create confidence.  Deliberately misleading.
> 
> 
>  On the other hand, Trivedi
> > says that spirit is always resting.
> 
> Whew, out ot the specific claims and back to pure poetry.  
> 
> 
> > 
> > Check out Trivedi Foundation for details of research.
> 
> I did and he uses the techniques of no context to make absurd claims about 
> what has been proven.  Somebody at some level has the science training to 
> know it it bullshit, even if he is an innocent.
> 
> A person who was serious about his work should embrace this criticism and 
> better yet get a big brained real scientist to present these claims in a way 
> that is not deceptive and misleading.
> 
> I'm gunna take a deep breath from my diaphram, change the size of some atoms 
> and wait for that to happen.
> 
> 
> 
> >
>


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