--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <fintlewoodle...@...> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote:
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote:
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> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "obbajeeba" <carc108@> wrote:
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> > > > > Curious to know what people think here about Jyotish and the art of 
> > > > > telling of this subject.  No one has to explain the subject that the 
> > > > > sun is up there, and the moon too and the other planets hovering 
> > > > > about, being on the inner and outer of life as the same, or the 
> > > > > placements, etc.
> > > > > Please do give any opinion or knowing of experiences with Jyotishi's. 
> > > > > Good or bad. 
> > > > >  What about the delivery of the subject in these modern times?
> > > > > Experiences from skeptics, knowers are appreciated on this subject.
> > > > > Please tell, oh great one!......?
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> > > > Jyotish is a very technical subject, although a good intuitive sense is 
> > > > needed to interpret the planetary positions, qualities and 
> > > > relationships.
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> > > The fact that it's a technical subject doesn't mean there is 
> > > anything to it on a day-to-day useful level. In fact jyotish 
> > > is far more complex tahn it needs to be beacuse when the charts
> > > were first formulted they didn't know the earth was round or 
> > > that it and the plantets went round the sun, in eliptical orbits.
> > > The maths astrologers have to use to compensate for those 
> > > understandable errors is horrendous but to stop using it
> > > is to admit that the earth isn;t the middle of the universe 
> > > and that if a field effect is responsible (which is what *is* proposed
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> > Which volume of the Official Jyotish Docttrine is this in?  :)
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> John Hagelins'. Hard to see how they could affect us if it
> wasn't by some sort of field. What else could the connection be?

At the risk of mixing too many metaphors, my watch predicts when the sun will 
rise. Where is the connection? Is my watch causing the sun to rise. Is the sun 
causing my watch to tick? No, Yet you insist on only looking for a causative 
model. 

A point Judy I think was making -- many things can be correlated and useful  
for predictive purposes but have no causal effect, A on B or B on A. The watch 
is correlated with the rising of the sun -- but hardly causes it. In a somewhat 
parallel way, the "clock" in the planets don't in ANY way create our karma. We 
do that. (or did it). 

The emergence of events in our lives, something we created, may be correlated 
to various clocks. Its not really such a  hard concept.




its amusing ow insistent you appear in critiquing a totally bogus concept, and 
claiming you are critiquing (actual) jyotish -- or at least the one I am 
familiar with. 
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