--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > >> YOU are the one who is looking for "proof" that what I
> > > experienced was what you'd like to consider "real"
> > > levitation.  I have no such need.  I experienced what
> > > I experienced.  I was more than honest about relating
> > > it here.  I'm not trying to sell you anything or convince
> > > you of anything.  I just explained my experience.
> > > 
> > > I *understand* that it freaks you out and you'd like to
> > > not believe it.  I *understand* that if I were able to show
> > > you video, you would STILLnot believe it.  I really *do*
> > > understand.  I didn't want to believe it, either, and I was
> > > there seeing it happen.  
> > > 
> > > But I'm not gonna nitpick with you over your disbelief.
> > > It's yours.  I got over mine years ago.  
> > > 
> > > Unc
> > 
> > This internet group FFL is sometimes like watching someone 
actually 
> > levitate, or not. It is all just words on the one hand, and yet 
once 
> > we read for awhile, it dawns on us that things are being 
discussed and 
> > ideas exchanged that are every bit as astonishing as watching 
someone 
> > levitate. 
> > 
> > Watching someone levitate, or doing it yourself, is just a 
matter of a 
> > wall in the mind, or no wall in the mind. Symptomatic of neurons 
> > firing in a specific pattern in the brain, or not.
> > 
> > shempmcgurk, I followed your logic to its ultimate conclusion 
and 
> > realized as Unc and Rory have alluded (afw=another favorite 
word) to, 
> > no matter what the proof, say levitation taped with a video 
camera, by 
> > your mom, for example, what would it change in your life, in 
your 
> > mind, in your everyday existence?
> > 
> > Recently I woke up and did a mundane chore around the house, 
only it 
> > was something out of sequence; I had never before written checks 
for 
> > my bills before washing the dishes, for example. I forget the 
actual 
> > event, but it was similar. Anyway, this time I did it without 
> > thinking, and realized that the only reason my reality changed 
was 
> > that there was no longer this virtual wall inside my head. The 
absence 
> > of the boundary changed my life.
> > 
> > Then I got to thinking how life in general evolves from a lot of 
> > boundaries, to fewer and fewer and fewer, until we have none. As 
Rory 
> > speaks about Brahman being a state of life where the duality 
> > disappears; no boundaries. (and Rory, let's see THAT on video-
tape, 
> > eh? ;))
> > 
> > Pick any living thing and trace its evolution to the next level 
of 
> > life and you'll see what I mean. e.g. a rock can't move, but a 
roach 
> > can. Fewer boundaries for Sir Roach. 
> > 
> > So the important thing isn't the levitation at all. At all. It 
is the 
> > elimination of boundaries within us.
> 
> Exactly.  And why it is not productive to pursue this conversation.
> Shemp isn't interested in "proof."  He's interested in making sure
> that none of his boundaries are disturbed.

I see it rather that Shemp wants to find proof of something that 
many such as yourself have claimed to have seen. Then he 
can 'legitimately' break the boundary to such an experience in his 
mind. 

So the mistake is not in his attempting to nail down the proof, but 
in believing that the solution to breaking the boundary comes from 
outside himself, rather than within himself. 

Ergo, it matters not a whit of a whit whether or not you actually 
witnessed somebody levitating. Maybe you did, and maybe you didn't. 
Doesn't matter. (Although it mattered to you at the time, and was 
significant you say in breaking a boundary for you.)




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