--- In [email protected], "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > I actually visited the site and downloaded the book. > > > > I then did a > > > > word search on "levitate" and nine references to it > > > > came up. > > > > > > > > After a cursory reading of several of the > > > > testimonials, I have > > > > concluded that you were the victim of a cult, Unc, > > > > and that you were > > > > both brainwashed and hypnotized. > > > > > > > > You did NOT witness actual levitation. You > > > > witnessed a delusion of > > > > levitation. > > > > > > Okay. You are of this opinion. I don't understand all > > > this anger towards Unc. > > > > > > Let him say: "I witnessed what appeared to me to be levitation", > > not 'I witnessed REAL levitation'. > > > > I don't like being bullshitted. > > He experienced that the levitation was real - why not just accept > that? > Ingegerd>
...then that is exactly what he should tell us: that although it wasn't "real" he experienced it as real in his own mind. I have no problem with that. But when someone, on the one hand, states unequivically, that he experienced a real, actual phenomenon and then states, upon questioning, equivocates, then, yeah, I have a problem with the honesty of the first statement. And, again, I don't like being bullshitted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You aren't interested in what really happened, > > > > only in > > > > > what you want to believe happened. So believe > > > > that. > > > > > Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it > > > > doesn't > > > > > affect me in any way. > > > > > > > > > > Look for proof on your own time. I am content > > > > with my > > > > > personal experience. > > > > > > > > > > Unc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > > "shempmcgurk" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > > > "shempmcgurk" > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe > > > > to be the > > > > irrelevant > > > > > > > > parts of your response and leave in the > > > > parts I want to > > > > address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the > > > > other students who > > > > > > > > > studied with the guy. I will also > > > > emphasise, for the > > > > record, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never > > > > saw anything; > > > > > > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes > > > > 500 at once) saw > > > > > > > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it > > > > would appear to be > > > > a > > > > > > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, > > > > and takes place > > > > > > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical > > > > levels. If > > > > you're > > > > > > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on > > > > film, I don't think > > > > > > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have > > > > been. But it > > > > was > > > > > > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and > > > > as a field of > > > > > > > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the > > > > real benefit of > > > > > > > > > being around someone who is doing this, > > > > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon > > > > and others > > > > > > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts > > > > that it would > > > > > > > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, > > > > that there might > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, > > > > in which > > > > people's > > > > > > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to > > > > see a phenomenon > > > > > > > > > that might not have been present on a > > > > physical level. But > > > > > > > > > there was never any suggestion of what was > > > > about to happen. > > > > > > > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He > > > > never said *what* > > > > > > > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one > > > > of the siddhis > > > > he was > > > > > > > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if > > > > anything, was > > > > going > > > > > > > > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, > > > > and everyone who > > > > > > > > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said > > > > above with what you > > > > > > > > originally wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air > > > > levitation." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you would agree with me when I > > > > conclude that you > > > > have > > > > > > NOT > > > > > > > > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air > > > > levitation" as you > > > > first > > > > > > > > claimed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the > > > > possibility that it may > > > > have > > > > > > been the result of some other sidhi or that you > > > > had your doubts > > > > that > > > > > > it could have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it would have been more properly > > > > descriptive of you to > > > > have > > > > > > written that you had witnessed what "looked > > > > like" levitation and > > > > not > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? 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