--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Exactly. And why it is not productive to pursue this conversation. > > Shemp isn't interested in "proof." He's interested in making sure > > that none of his boundaries are disturbed. > > I see it rather that Shemp wants to find proof of something that > many such as yourself have claimed to have seen. Then he > can 'legitimately' break the boundary to such an experience in his > mind.
'Legitimately' is good. That's the issue, which you nail in the next paragraph. > So the mistake is not in his attempting to nail down the proof, but > in believing that the solution to breaking the boundary comes from > outside himself, rather than within himself. That's it exactly. There comes a point when no one can no longer rely on 'outside' 'evidence' as being more accur- ate than one's own experience. > Ergo, it matters not a whit of a whit whether or not you actually > witnessed somebody levitating. Maybe you did, and maybe you didn't. > Doesn't matter. (Although it mattered to you at the time, and was > significant you say in breaking a boundary for you.) It really *doesn't* matter to me whether a videocamera would have recorded the levitation and other phenomena I saw Rama manifest. The boundary for me, as you put it well, was broken the minute I realized that I trusted my own experience more than I would trust the videotape. It happened. The man levitated. Or disappeared. Or did one of the many other odd things he could do. And all of those things really happened, as far as I can tell. *How* they happened doesn't interest me as much as the simple fact that they happened. Personally, intellectually, my experience convinces me that some siddhis do not actually manifest on a gross physical level. That is, they are really happening, but on a more subtle plane or dimension. To perform the siddhi, you have to move into that dimension. To witness the siddhi, you *also* have to move into that dimension. It's something I cannot express properly in words, and it's *certainly* something I can ever convince anyone of, even if I wanted to. Bottom line was that it was a great deal of *fun* to see such phenomena, and to sit in the energy field that surrounds them. People can believe whatever they want, based on whatever 'proof' they consider valid. I'll stand on my own experience. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
