Dear maskedzebra - you look like a really nice guy and everything, there are some things I really like about you like anyone else on this list but you need to let go of your hallucinations and mystical deceit that you ever were enlightened. I have a hard time explaining what Enlightenment is, it can only be explained metaphorically(read some of Jim or Rory's posts), but I can easily catch someone who is just bullshitting. And I could see you are bullshitting when I first read your account on Mike Conley's blog that someone posted here a few months back. This is what you said in response to wayback71 - " I feel healthy and normalat least compared my TM/Maharishi enlightenment days" and this makes sense you seem to coming out of your hallucinations and intellectual deceit, you are working, taking walks - this is a good thing. Now why do I think you never were enlightened in the first place.
Maharishi seems to have done a great disservice by his detailed description of UC, BC, BS but then he understood the greediness of the mind and the intellect, it was just a carrot dangling at everyone understanding the goal oriented nature of the humanmind. But there will always be idiots like you who will take it literally and like you said project these sign posts, hallucinate and intellectually deceive themselves into enlightenment. MMY description were not supposed to be taken literally and that you did comes very clearly in your posts. Barry is more smarter than you. He is right - "Enlightenment has zero value for others" and it's a highly subjective experience. I agree with him, I believe its just next to impossible for someone to declare you enlightened because enlightenment cannot be declared for oneself and cannot be proclaimed on others. I read you descriptions from 1976 in Switzerland on how everyone around could feel you were enlightened (Quote "I met the standard of proof, even in the estimation of the most skeptical and sophisticated of initiators") and let me tell you it was just a hallucination if others could feel it and see it somehow. I talk to many people daily and though people might characterize me as funny, playful, sarcastic, irresponsible, immature - no one can access my inner expansiveness, they can only deduce it or have a vague suspicion of something different. Remember your favorite "solipsism"? Enlightenment in most cases doesn't result in anything significant outside of you and you are no Ammachi. >From your description it's clear it's intellectual deceit - you think Enlightenment is something special -I quote you "(I was) INCAPABLE of being bested in a one-on-one encounter with another human being") , "more versatile, more creative, more attuned, more commanding", "my enlightenment took was confronting the consciousness of those NOT in Unity Consciousnessthose, that is, who desired to be the beneficiaries of my superior state of functioning". Another quote of yours - "Not only did my consciousness rule the consciousness of the other person. Any attempt by that other person to pit their consciousness against my own, resulted in the dramatic demonstration that indeed my consciousness was dominant, not just dominant in the influence it expressed in terms of power and integrity and silence, but in the actual range of creative and intelligent responsiveness. My repertoire of possible responses to any person, or to any situation, was virtually unlimitedthat is, while in the state of Unity Consciousness. Enlightenment doesn't mean now you are more dominant, you have power, integrity or having a an unlimited repertoire of responses. You are well advised to read some scriptures like Vasishtha Yoga or Tripura Rahasyam, if not at least listen to some of the interviews on batgap - enlightenment is nothing special, it's pretty mundane - this is one of the areas where I struggled last year, I thought I need to do something special, become a renunciate or a wandering monk..LOL.. since I had nothing left to do, nowhere to go, it was only with the existence's and my Guru's blessings I was able to integrate and let go of those stupid feelings. I realized I just had to continue doing what I ad or continue what was for me in that moment. What I should be doing could change tomorrow - to be fluid, to meet every moment in its pristine virgin beauty - that is what enlightenment is - it is not something special, it is not an acknowledgement from others. Enlightenment is only from the perspective of oneself, never a judgment of others, cannot be found outside of oneself. --- In [email protected], maskedzebra <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > RESPONSE: No, I have never heard of anyone who has "achieved a unity-type state of consciousness or any flavor of 'enlightenment' and then has denounce[d] it as false." And yes, I might be "the first". Certainly "there is a long tradition of enlightenment in the East", and if my claim is correct why is it that "no one else [has] ever made the same claim . . ."? >
