"Perfect enjoyment demands intelligence."
--- In [email protected], "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@...> wrote: > > Dear maskedzebra - your message is so beautiful that I'm forced to > respond to this excellent judgement of my nature (except for the zero > sincerity part) line by line, I say you are a very smart individual. > --- In [email protected], maskedzebra <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > The test of a person's sincerity is: how do they unconsciously > compensate for what they do not and cannot know about why they are > existing and why they are the particular who that is existing. > > > Yes - this is true - I'm not sure why I'm existing - this is something I > ask every minute and I have no answer. > > I see that even Curtis grants you some respect. Although in that > BatGap interview with Rick Archer you convinced me of your sincerity > with regard to Amma (in her role as your Guru), I have found, in nearly > all my interactions with you, that you are provocative, insolent, > insincere, and just plain wilful. > > > Yes I was sincere with respect to Amma, but I'm not so sure now - the > beloved looked real when I yearned for her, now the love has dissolved > the boundaries - so I feel I have become one with the beloved. So I'm > confused if I or the beloved even exist - I can only confirm the > existence of love. > > > Since in my belief system you cannot be God (the being who knows > everything, who has created everything, who directs everything, who is > immediately present to the infinite future), you must be categorized, > like me, as a created being who is not in possession of all the facts > which pertain to your origin, your existence, and your individual form. > > > Yes - I don't know what the origin is or who created me but these > questions don't seem to bother me at all. > > Not to say your special and unique destiny in the universe. > > > Yes - I believe there seems to be some special and unique destiny for > everyone of us. > > This, it seems to me, is the problem, Ravi, for no matter what your > agenda (excepting, as I say, this account of your experiences with Amma, > which seem to me to be innocent and real) SEEMS to be, what I get is > someone interested in only one thing: stirring the pot. > Yes, my experiences with Amma were innocent and real. I don't have any > agenda other than provoking and stirring the pot. > > I TRULY BELIEVE YOU HAVE NEVER ONCE, in any exchange I have read yet, > OPENED YOURSELF UP (by your inward posture) TO THE PROPOSITION OF > WANTING TO LEARN OR KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL. > > > You are not serious in your relations with other human beings, Ravi. > You are just dancing, playing, teasing, whirling, feinting, disguising, > concealing, eluding, goading, posing. > Not quite true. I have several posts where I was very sincere. But yes I > mostly indulge in playing, teasing and mocking - guilty as charged. But > I'm either brutally sincere or completely elusive and playful. > > > > YOU WILL NOT AND CANNOT MAKE YOURSELF VULNERABLE TO ANOTHER HUMAN > BEING. Not in any way whatsoever. > > > Not true, to people whom I love I completely expose myself. I completely > exposed to my beloved and she repeatedly insulted me and distrusted my > love, my love was trapped, nowhere to go it was internalized and opened > a perennial source of love within me. > > What person who has loved you would testify that my description here > does not accord with their experienceI mean in the end? > > > Yes they will testify to both - my complete sincerity or my complete > elusiveness. But I'm not sure there's a single person who gets the total > picture. > > > Yes, you can take this post as insulting, demeaning, judgmental: but > the real question is: AM I WRONG IN MY INTERPRETATION OF YOUR ACTIONS? > > > No you are not and on the contrary I am overjoyed and thrilled by your > post. > > I do not believe I am, because I don't think you are sincerely seeking > to get anything from anyone. (Except, I must suppose, from Amma.) > > > True, in an inner sense, I never even got any advice from Amma on my > spiritual practices. But I love exchange of ideas, learning new things > on a mundane, outer level. Heck I have learned a lot from you. I had to > have a browser tab opened with merriam-webster.com to understand all the > words you threw around. > > But your importunate hounding of me with various questions, those > questions are merely a game you play. I sense NO DESIRE to have them > answered. > > > They representall your questions, challenges your way of > trying to provoke me into responding, and as soon as I do, you will just > keep playing with me. > > > Nope. You are a trickster, a provocateur, a crazy gadflybut for > what purpose? Perhaps only you know the answer to that, Ravi Yogi. > > > No I sincerely do. When I didn't get any or I feel that you are focused > on the accidental and not the essential is when I start posting > sarcastic, provocative messages. > > > Meanwhile I refuse to answer what you put to me, because I would be an > idiot to do soand you would consider me secretly inside yourself, > to be an idiot too. > > > No I might consider you unenlightened but never an idiot - I think you > are a genius. > > What is the proof of the truth of this judgment of you? > > > Mostly accurate. > > That you will manifest not the slightest bewilderment, confusion, > wonder, perplexity, concern over what I have saidBUT WILL COME BACK > WITH A RESPONSE WHICH PERFECTLY DEMONSTRATES THE TRUTH OF WHAT I HAVE > TOLD YOU HERE. > > > > Just watch: Here it comes. > > > You tell me? > > SEE? I told you. Even though as I write these last few words, I > already know and see the future: and that future is a response which > reveals that YOU COULD NOT IN THE LEAST BE INFLUENCED, AFFECTED, > TOUCHED, SURPRISED BY ANYTHING I HAVE SAID. > > > > Realize, then, Ravi, that in every word you choose to write in a > counter-post you will be exhibiting every one of the characteristics I > have identified here in this post. > > > > Is this your cosmic fate, Ravi? > > > > I pray it is not. Because of how pointless this makes your life. > > > Yes life is pointless, life is not a thing of utility - a car has a > utility, a house has a utility how can life have a point? > > Gauge the sincerity of this letter, then see whether there is any sort > of reciprocity of sincerity once you have composed your post. > > > There is. > > There will be none, Ravi. There will be none. > > > > (And if this post gets me kicked off of FFL, so be it. I will not > withdraw my comments for any reason.) > > > No need to withdraw any comments, and I haven't been kicked out yet so I > can never envision that possibility for you. >
