--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > Boy, that Mick is really brave, isn't he?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And the last time *you* did anything cool
> > > > > > for the world was when, exactly?
> > > > > 
> > > > > ...when I challenged you on the claim that you witnessed 
> true, 
> > real 
> > > > > levitation...
> > > 
> > > Hey Shemp, since you're obviously holding onto this one
> > > pretty tightly, can I ask you a question?
> > > 
> > > If you were to witness "real" levitation -- right in front
> > > of your eyes, perfect conditions, no drugs or wires and
> > > mirrors or sleep deprivation or *anything* you could pos-
> > > sibly use as an excuse going on -- would you believe it
> > > had happened?  Would you be able to trust your own
> > > experience?
> > 
> > Has The Amazing Randy given the person demonstrating it the 
million 
> > dollar reward?
> 
> You can answer the question, too, if you'd like, Lawson.
> You didn't above.  What you *did* was declare a set of
> objective "validations" of your own subjective experience.
> 
> What I'm asking is whether, if you personally witnessed
> levitation, with NO outside "validation" or objective
> verification, you would trust your own subjective experience.

Nope. I've been an eyewitness to the aftermath of a shooting. I had a 
conversation with the perp and looked him right  in the eye from a 
foot or so away and talked him into leaving the 7-11 before the 
police came (I didn't realize there had been a gun involved outsided 
so I wasn't nervous in the slightest --I guess he responded to that).

I couldn't identify him when he was captured by the police.

> 
> I think that if you wouldn't, you're making a very sad
> statement indeed, one that has rather profound implications
> for whether you will realize your own enlightenment in this
> life.

Just familiar with a few of my limitations, sorry.


I've also seen videos of street magicians mystifying passers by 
by "levitating" in front of them. Doug Henning figured out a way to 
make a restaurant appear to "levitate" from all angles outside and 
from the pov of people inside looking out.

Why should I think that my perceptions are all that hot?







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