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> Judy writes:
> And on the other hand, he's telling them that
> they cannot trust their experience that they are
> not enlightened and ought instead to accept the
> authorities' assertion that they are already
> enlightened.
> 
> Tom T writes:
> The idea you are not enlightened is not an
> experience it is an idea.
> The experience of awakening is very real, very
> visceral. It is
> profoundly based in the physiology. The idea of not
> being enlightened
> is a story. Tell me where and how that idea "I am
> not awake" is known
> in the gut of the physiology. Tom

Great response!



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