On Aug 11, 2005, at 9:51 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:

> The idea you are not enlightened is not an experience it is an idea.
> The experience of awakening is very real, very visceral. It is
> profoundly based in the physiology. The idea of not being enlightened
> is a story. Tell me where and how that idea "I am not awake" is known
> in the gut of the physiology. Tom

The idea that there is an idea that you are not enlightened and it is 
not an experience but an idea is also an idea. It's also a story.



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