--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote: > > > Me: > I loved being sober at MIU. It was a fantastic college experience for me and > I can relate to your points. But this still reveals a real flaw in the ideal > education. They still have the same solution to kids smoking pot that was > popular in prep schools in the early 70's: throw the bum out. See, now the > school is drug free! > > It is lame. Especially for a technique that claims to evolve people out of > wanting to get high. > > And remember when we went to MIU we had the glassy eyes of expectation of > wonderous things just around the corner. These students have seen what 40 > years of meditation gets you: another version of your dad. Not charming, > giggling, flower waving Maharishi, but big ol' Bevan-walrus and a bunch of > other old timers who need help loading up their Ipod with MP3s of Charles > Llyod playing his TM inspired flute songs to whales. (Yes, that is an actual > thing.) > > They know they are not on the cusp of any breakthrough. Remember how it was > for us? People in Switzerland were flying...so we were told. People talked > to squirrels. (According to Jonathan Shear) Larry Domash found his lost pen > magically!) They were heady times and we were on the cusp of something > amazing. > > So it really wasn't much of a stretch for me to give up drugs. But I pushed > the boundaries appropriate to my age. I did things that got kids kicked out > in later years. Skinny dipping co-ed at Lake Keosauqua and the reservoir and > dorm showers...and anywhere else I could get young ladies to serve up the > simplest form of undress. > > These kids know everything. They know Maharishi banged young white girls. > We thought he was a God. They just don't have the context we had. > > But more than that. Any school who deals with kids smoking pot by saying "we > can't help you get your shit and leave" is lame IMO. And that is even > institutions that don't sprinkle on the "ideals" like powdered sugar on > french toast. (Use day old Challah bread) > > They have exposed that they are just another strict Christian school who > can't handle any kid's rebellion. Our class was the first one at MIU with > actual kids, not TM teachers. The class was much more indoctrinated than > some of these kids. > > So yeah, I get that we loved our drug-free MIU. And I get it that these are > the rules of the group and they SHOULD know them. > > As I said in an earlier post, the part of your brain that actually allow us > to foresee the consequences of our actions is physically NOT developed till > 26. And society expectations of them being responsible don't change that. > (BTW society actually preys on this when we send young people to war. There > is a reason for that.) > > When I was at MIU there were off-the-program students smoking pot and > drinking. It had nothing to do with me and my choices. They kept it on the > down-low and it was none of my business. I think Dennis Ramondi was very > compassionate toward us that we were all growing and none of us was "ideal" > anything. > > MIU is a buzz kill, and I wound never recommend smoking weed there. But is > this is their answer to the drug problem, then they really aren't adding > anything new are they?
First, it was great to read some of those old names, the past incidents, the feel of the place back when we were there that you described so well just now. And while it is stereotypical to idealize 'the good old days' I feel that, in some fundamental way, they REALLY were just that. I agree with you that enough history has past that the naive idealism we all held about enlightenment and the sidhis and just the newness of the place seems but a pipe dream now. However, it does not take away from our perceived reality at the time and I remember my years at MIU with great affection. It was EXCITING, there seemed to be a limitless future available to all of us. And undoubtedly there are far more interesting and creative ways to deal with rule-breakers at MUM. You could create something revealing, and interesting and understandable for other students there by possibly discussing the need, the desire to smoke drugs while pursuing an education steeped in spirituality and self development through meditation - you could make it a mini course, an interactive area of study headed by the students themselves. There are infinite ways to approach the 'problem' of drug taking there by turning it into another learning experience. You just need to be open minded, creative and be prepared to be surprised. But MUM appears, if nothing else, steeped in dogma. A dogma that will be doomed to moulder and eventually crumble with age and obsolescence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > <Spare the rod, ruin the child.> > > > > > > <For right now there is something much larger and much more high-minded > > > going on here than these little shits going out to get high with drugs > > > and dragging the community down along with them.> > > > > > > <Why be part of a community if the community can't protect itself from > > > such erosion as young kids using drugs. > > > > > > > First let me say that your stern views are the same as the TM > > > administration, and when I was a mouthpiece for "pure knowledge", I > > > would have parroted the same. > > > > And interestingly, you admitted you were one of the more strait-laced > > students there when you and I attended MIU. You apparently sought out and > > appreciated the environment that MIU, as a drug and alcohol free as well as > > spiritual/evolutionary place to be, provided. Granted, times have changed > > and so have you but at the time that is a big part of why you were there > > presumably. And many others as well. What people expect at MIU/MUM these > > days I have no idea. It is not somewhere I would chose to be as the person > > I am now but it certainly was back in 1975-1980. > > > > >So please view the following "ripping a new one" as directed toward this > > pernicious style of thinking rather than directed at your Steven Colbert > > style mash-up parody, where-does-it-end-and-you-begin, persona here. > > > > > > Here is my problem with this. The first two quotes are draconian 1950's > > > anti-kid > > > > I don't think they are 'anit-kid'. I just think, the first one, in > > particular, is a cliche and an old one to boot. The others just sound more > > like Buck's style of fire and brimstone damnation. We know he feels pretty > > strongly about protecting the place we all know as Fairfield Iowa. > > > > >bullshit. And the third involves the twisted idea that the group so > > >powerful that it claims to lower MURDER rates and WARS, can have its > > >coherence significantly lowered by a few bong hits. How fragile is your > > >invincibility? If it can't at least get through if not purify and correct > > >a kid who wants to polish off a family sized bag of Cool Ranch Doritos, > > >are you even taking your own claims seriously at this point? How is it > > >gunna stop wars on the other side of the planet from Fairfield if it can't > > >dispel a few cough-giggle exhalations of an incinerated plant? > > > > Well maybe Buck thinks FF is the center of a great thing and if you pollute > > the center the structure/effect you are trying to create (world peace) will > > be impacted. I'm guessing here. But for Buck FF is an epicenter of some > > sort of ripple effect. > > > > > > This is the equivalent to having the Great Oz's curtain come down. It > > > exposes the "Ideal System of Education" for what it is: a tiny > > > self-selected group whose motto is "please solve your problems in advance > > > so I can help you more." TM isn't able to help these kids grow through > > > this pretty normal attraction is it? So throw the bums out! Off with > > > their rudraksha beads. Excommunicate the sinners and cast them in to the > > > fiery pits of Iowa Summers. "No sutras for you", says the sidhi Nazi. > > > > I think it is more than just a few kids smoking pot. I would first have to > > ask why they are there. I mean, there are plenty of other places (the > > entire world in fact) where you can ingest, smoke or snort whatever you > > want. Presumably these students did a little research into the place before > > deciding to attend. I mean, come on, MIU is not your average bear. You > > gotta know it's pretty 'out there' and the requirements, the lifestyle, the > > philosophy are pretty defined. Unless mom and dad blind folded them and > > dropped them via helicopter onto campus they should have been able to walk > > in there with their eyes wide open. > > > > > > The more I work with kids, the more I realize that a poor carpenter > > > blames his tools in education. I work with the poorest kids in the > > > poorest counties, the Republican's "throw away" kids. And you know what? > > > They aren't bad kids. They aren't stupid kids even without anyone > > > reading to them at home usually. And if they end up getting incarcerated > > > after High School, it is on us, the educators. > > > > > > Sure you have your occasional psychopaths. But this kid at MIU smoking > > > some weed with friends hasn't met that bar yet, has he? Unredeemable for > > > being curious about altering his consciousness? > > > > Smoking marijuana is not in and of itself inherently evil or corrupting or > > an indication of someone of the slippery slope to perdition but the > > context, the place where they are choosing to do this seems like a > > contradiction given what MUM is all about (or at least what I knew it used > > to be all about when you and I were there.) > > > > > > > > So I think the kid dodged a bullet by getting kicked out of a group that > > > would kick out a kid in college for indulging in something that is closer > > > to having a beer than the Refer Madness alarmists would have us believe. > > > He could have been treated with some compassion and with the idea that > > > the miraculous TM has not worked its magic yet. > > > > I think if you're smoking pot frequently while at MUM you got your address > > mixed up - you ended up at the wrong campus or you threw a dart at some > > dart board when deciding which school to attend and it landed on the square > > that said MUM. > > > > > > He could have been treated with more understanding and it would have been > > > a nice example of how an ideal system of education should deal with a > > > common, predictable, developmental issue. And the other thing I know > > > about kids is that 19 is the new 15. Kids in college have been sheltered > > > in ways my generation was not. So they may have to work out some of the > > > kinks I went through in high school, in college. > > > > Maybe I'm old fashioned but at 19 you are an adult. You can drive, vote, > > drink legally (at least in Canada) so I don't think of these people as > > 'kids'. When do people become adults? Too late, too old in my opinion. By > > the time you hit university you still have a lot to learn but these people > > aren't kids anymore, at least not chronologically. > > > > > > But in the end, the system has proven once again that the appearance of > > > being IDEAL is all that is being accomplished. And now fear and > > > conformity can reign once again in the kingdom of the Maharishi. > > > > I just think there are rules that, if implemented, have repercussions. You > > break the rules you face the consequences. Happens all the time and will > > continue to happen your whole life. Of course, there are always individual > > situations and as I understand it from posters here, MUM is not exactly a > > place that epitomizes flexibility, logic or open-mindedness so the chances > > that people get ejected or ostracized for things that any other institution > > would turn a blind eye to is very likely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, these kids were part of something very large and special within > > > > consciousness-based education. It is what their parents wanted and were > > > > hoping for them and were providing and many have sacrificed to make > > > > happen for their kids. Consciousness-based education. Did You Know > > > > That Meditating Just 15 Min a Day twice a day Could Change Your Life? > > > > You've heard of neuroplasticity, particularly in young brains? If > > > > these little shits are going to persist in screwing up their > > > > meditations and dulling the collective consciousness of the whole group > > > > with the smoke and haze of marijuana and other drugs then let them go > > > > to public education. Everyone knows the rules on drug use and > > > > meditation and why they are there. Jeesuus. Spare the rod, ruin the > > > > child. If and when the these children stop using marijuana they can > > > > come back to ideal education as better prepared students to make use of > > > > a large opportunity. Just like the adult fallen away meditators can > > > > always re-apply to meditate in the Domes with the large groups. There > > > > is quite a lot of empathy within the system to facilitate > > > > consciousness-based education. If people can't follow the simple rule > > > > about drug use for the good reasons of spiritual clarity, they should > > > > live with the consequence until they clear up in this or some other > > > > lifetime. For right now there is something much larger and much more > > > > high-minded going on here than these little shits going out to get high > > > > with drugs and dragging the community down along with them. I am > > > > entirely with Bevan on this. Why be part of a community if the > > > > community can't protect itself from such erosion as young kids using > > > > drugs. We're trying to do something here that needs to be protected. > > > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > > > > > <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Facebook page: MUMSecrets > > > > > > > > > ‎ > > > > > > > > > #81: few years back every single person of Bld 141 smoked > > > > > > > > > pot. New Kid moves in and rats ME out to the faculty. I get > > > > > > > > > kicked out. foreign students smoked pot, got ratted out. > > > > > > > > > Faculty turns a blind eye because they are from a different > > > > > > > > > country. So I discovered your policy is make examples of the > > > > > > > > > Americans. I Love the meditation, and promoting world peace. > > > > > > > > > disappointed that your leaders actions and mindset don't lead > > > > > > > > > us down that path. Too many policies in place and enforced > > > > > > > > > that have created a great dissension in the movement. Hard to > > > > > > > > > promote Peace when half your movement hates you for being so > > > > > > > > > unforgiving and distrustful of people who still wanna > > > > > > > > > experience different ways, AND meditation. My name is Matthew > > > > > > > > > Speer. This story isn't a secret. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29 years ago Nate Orme-Johnson was kicked off his Yogic Flying > > > > > > > > block, and later, out of MSAE, for having smoked pot within 6 > > > > > > > > months of his starting that block. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We asked Nate what his parents thought, and he said that his > > > > > > > > dad just sat quietly, while his mom just knitted and smiled and > > > > > > > > rolled her eyes as Bevan berated him for doing such a foolish > > > > > > > > thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rules are rules, at least for 'Mericans, even if your mom and > > > > > > > > dad are bigwigs in the TM movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd love Morris to come round and try and lecture my son about > > > > > > > something. I'd kick his fat arse into orbit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I bet a fanatic like Morris has never even stopped to wonder why > > > > > > > these kids smoke dope. He probably went straight from high school > > > > > > > into grovelling at Marshy's feet and the idea that some young > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > might like to experiment and [gasp] have a bit of unregulated, > > > > > > > non- > > > > > > > satvic fun is probably quite shocking to the vedic dictatorship. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rules are rules. The kids knew for years in advance that if they > > > > > > smoked pot within 6 months of taking the TM-Sidhis course, they > > > > > > weren't allowed on the course so going on the course and getting > > > > > > caught was de facto lying about something extremely (one assumes) > > > > > > important to them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, every kid on the course had smoked pot that day as they > > > > > > were all from MSAE and had been at the same party in Des Moines, > > > > > > but only certain ones got caught, and they covered for the rest. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so, rules are rules. > > > > > > > > > > Rules are for breaking. Can't believe anyone is surprised about > > > > > it. Get a bunch of teenagers and tell them not to smoke dope, what > > > > > happens? Duh. > > > > > > > > > > I bet the TMO think that mere exposure to puja table is enough to > > > > > overwrite all their inquisitive exhuberance. After reading MUM > > > > > secrets I'm happy to say they seem quite normal and preoccupied > > > > > with the natural tendencies for their age. Except the pissing down > > > > > the stairs bit, that's a bit weird. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
