You're back. I was wondering when we'd get past all the epistomological nuances!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: > > <Spare the rod, ruin the child.> > > <For right now there is something much larger and much more high-minded going on here than these little shits going out to get high with drugs and dragging the community down along with them.> > > <Why be part of a community if the community can't protect itself from such erosion as young kids using drugs. > > > First let me say that your stern views are the same as the TM administration, and when I was a mouthpiece for "pure knowledge", I would have parroted the same. So please view the following "ripping a new one" as directed toward this pernicious style of thinking rather than directed at your Steven Colbert style mash-up parody, where-does-it-end-and-you-begin, persona here. > > Here is my problem with this. The first two quotes are draconian 1950's anti-kid bullshit. And the third involves the twisted idea that the group so powerful that it claims to lower MURDER rates and WARS, can have its coherence significantly lowered by a few bong hits. How fragile is your invincibility? If it can't at least get through if not purify and correct a kid who wants to polish off a family sized bag of Cool Ranch Doritos, are you even taking your own claims seriously at this point? How is it gunna stop wars on the other side of the planet from Fairfield if it can't dispel a few cough-giggle exhalations of an incinerated plant? > > This is the equivalent to having the Great Oz's curtain come down. It exposes the "Ideal System of Education" for what it is: a tiny self-selected group whose motto is "please solve your problems in advance so I can help you more." TM isn't able to help these kids grow through this pretty normal attraction is it? So throw the bums out! Off with their rudraksha beads. Excommunicate the sinners and cast them in to the fiery pits of Iowa Summers. "No sutras for you", says the sidhi Nazi. > > The more I work with kids, the more I realize that a poor carpenter blames his tools in education. I work with the poorest kids in the poorest counties, the Republican's "throw away" kids. And you know what? They aren't bad kids. They aren't stupid kids even without anyone reading to them at home usually. And if they end up getting incarcerated after High School, it is on us, the educators. > > Sure you have your occasional psychopaths. But this kid at MIU smoking some weed with friends hasn't met that bar yet, has he? Unredeemable for being curious about altering his consciousness? > > So I think the kid dodged a bullet by getting kicked out of a group that would kick out a kid in college for indulging in something that is closer to having a beer than the Refer Madness alarmists would have us believe. He could have been treated with some compassion and with the idea that the miraculous TM has not worked its magic yet. > > He could have been treated with more understanding and it would have been a nice example of how an ideal system of education should deal with a common, predictable, developmental issue. And the other thing I know about kids is that 19 is the new 15. Kids in college have been sheltered in ways my generation was not. So they may have to work out some of the kinks I went through in high school, in college. > > But in the end, the system has proven once again that the appearance of being IDEAL is all that is being accomplished. And now fear and conformity can reign once again in the kingdom of the Maharishi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, these kids were part of something very large and special within consciousness-based education. It is what their parents wanted and were hoping for them and were providing and many have sacrificed to make happen for their kids. Consciousness-based education. Did You Know That Meditating Just 15 Min a Day twice a day Could Change Your Life? You've heard of neuroplasticity, particularly in young brains? If these little shits are going to persist in screwing up their meditations and dulling the collective consciousness of the whole group with the smoke and haze of marijuana and other drugs then let them go to public education. Everyone knows the rules on drug use and meditation and why they are there. Jeesuus. Spare the rod, ruin the child. If and when the these children stop using marijuana they can come back to ideal education as better prepared students to make use of a large opportunity. Just like the adult fallen away meditators can always re-apply to meditate in the Domes with the large groups. There is quite a lot of empathy within the system to facilitate consciousness-based education. If people can't follow the simple rule about drug use for the good reasons of spiritual clarity, they should live with the consequence until they clear up in this or some other lifetime. For right now there is something much larger and much more high-minded going on here than these little shits going out to get high with drugs and dragging the community down along with them. I am entirely with Bevan on this. Why be part of a community if the community can't protect itself from such erosion as young kids using drugs. We're trying to do something here that needs to be protected. > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Facebook page: MUMSecrets > > > > > > > ‎ > > > > > > > #81: few years back every single person of Bld 141 smoked pot. New Kid moves in and rats ME out to the faculty. I get kicked out. foreign students smoked pot, got ratted out. Faculty turns a blind eye because they are from a different country. So I discovered your policy is make examples of the Americans. I Love the meditation, and promoting world peace. disappointed that your leaders actions and mindset don't lead us down that path. Too many policies in place and enforced that have created a great dissension in the movement. Hard to promote Peace when half your movement hates you for being so unforgiving and distrustful of people who still wanna experience different ways, AND meditation. My name is Matthew Speer. This story isn't a secret. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29 years ago Nate Orme-Johnson was kicked off his Yogic Flying block, and later, out of MSAE, for having smoked pot within 6 months of his starting that block. > > > > > > > > > > > > We asked Nate what his parents thought, and he said that his dad just sat quietly, while his mom just knitted and smiled and rolled her eyes as Bevan berated him for doing such a foolish thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rules are rules, at least for 'Mericans, even if your mom and dad are bigwigs in the TM movement. > > > > > > > > > > I'd love Morris to come round and try and lecture my son about > > > > > something. I'd kick his fat arse into orbit. > > > > > > > > > > I bet a fanatic like Morris has never even stopped to wonder why > > > > > these kids smoke dope. He probably went straight from high school > > > > > into grovelling at Marshy's feet and the idea that some young people > > > > > might like to experiment and [gasp] have a bit of unregulated, non- > > > > > satvic fun is probably quite shocking to the vedic dictatorship. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rules are rules. The kids knew for years in advance that if they smoked pot within 6 months of taking the TM-Sidhis course, they weren't allowed on the course so going on the course and getting caught was de facto lying about something extremely (one assumes) important to them. > > > > > > > > Of course, every kid on the course had smoked pot that day as they were all from MSAE and had been at the same party in Des Moines, but only certain ones got caught, and they covered for the rest. > > > > > > > > Even so, rules are rules. > > > > > > Rules are for breaking. Can't believe anyone is surprised about > > > it. Get a bunch of teenagers and tell them not to smoke dope, what happens? Duh. > > > > > > I bet the TMO think that mere exposure to puja table is enough to > > > overwrite all their inquisitive exhuberance. After reading MUM > > > secrets I'm happy to say they seem quite normal and preoccupied > > > with the natural tendencies for their age. Except the pissing down > > > the stairs bit, that's a bit weird. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L > > > > > > > > > >
