Thanks for clarifying.


--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "Cliff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Incredibly complex and heavily-invested relationship for two 
> > people who have never met, I must say.  And the value for you
> > appears to be "saving the world by outing Barry, day by day"?
> 
> Maybe saving him from himself too.  But that's
> been mostly on alt.m.t.
> 
> Although he started out on this forum--well before
> I even got here--by trashing me (I suspect in order
> to "prepare" the group in case I decided to turn up),
> and lying about me once I was here, once I'd cleared
> up the lies, I was willing to leave him alone if he
> left me alone and didn't misrepresent alt.m.t.
> 
> Unfortunately, that didn't work out.
> 
> And I'll just observe once again how interesting
> it is that *I* get all the flak, while nobody seems
> to want to chide Barry.
> 
> > Kinda thin, I would think, but that's your choice and not mine.
> > 
> > You equate *right-wingers* with phoniness and dishonesty, it
> > would appear.  Seems rather pejorative of you, frankly.  I thought
> > "right-wingers" were supposed to be the bigots on the planet?
> > 
> > Bigotry in its essence is categorizing people by
> > one shared trait and then assuming that they share
> > many other, undesirable traits as an inevitable result of that one
> > shared trait.  "Everyone knows that all blacks are thieves, liars,
> > etc.", or "All Jews are skinflints and tax cheats, etc.," or
> > "All right-wingers are phony, dishonest hypocrites."
> 
> You confirm my impression that your thinking gets
> very fuzzy when you're feeling hostile.
> 
> Try to sharpen it up a bit: is there some salient
> difference between being black, being Jewish, and
> being a right-winger?  Which of these three is not
> like the other two?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   I'm quite
> > sure none of these statements are true, and my certainty comes
> > from direct experience of people who contradict those statements.  
> > 
> > Tom Pall, on the other hand, would probably hold the first two to 
> > be true.  You sure you want to be in his "proud to be a bigot" camp?
> > 
> > Although you did qualify it with "most", so I guess there is a
> > slender ray of hope for those of us who believe both in being
> > fiscally and personally responsible (which is how I define
> > "right-wing") and in being quite authentic in our personal 
> > relationships.
> 
> I could have added "in my experience and observation,"
> but I sort of assumed that would be taken for granted.
> 
> > And, no I do not much care for George Bush, so please don't let
> > your "all right-wingers love George Bush" bigotry kick in, either.
> 
> Hmm, did I ever say or suggest anything like that?
> 
> You also have a tendency to make a lot of unfounded
> assumptions.
> 
> 
> > No one speaks for me or decides for me other than myself.  
> > 
> > I appreciate your obvious intelligence and wit, but your zeal gets
> > to be a bit much, at times.  Maybe it's just too painful for most 
> > people to be "authentic" with you for very long because you give 
> > them an in-depth laundry list of everything that's wrong with them 
> > now or has been wrong in the past, or that will be wrong with them 
> > in the future?
> 
> No, I don't think so.  What was your phrase,
> "pretty thin"?
> 
> I notice you had no comment on this:
> 
> > > Think for a moment about how he'd be likely
> > > to react if somebody indicated they thought there
> > > was something wrong with him because a city (or
> > > anything else) they liked didn't appeal to him
> > > (not to mention suggesting he'd really never
> > > been there).




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