Buck, if you really do your research, you'll find that members of ALL religions have a tendency to dismiss the validity and value of other religions. All religions have adherents with different levels of understanding the truths about their own religion and other religions as well. Greater spiritual awareness raises the level of understanding which raises one above the base level of the collective.
________________________________ From: Buck <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 7:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: All Meditators are for Christ! The truth is that many of us have a mixed history with the word "Christ". If we've been on a spiritual path for awhile, we might have outgrown a more dogmatic vision or dislike the way Christianity has treated other religions, or have issues with Christian denials of the validity of science. --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > > > Good old Hindu triumphalism! Yes if Christianity would just abandon all the > theological doctrines that distinguish it from other religious ideas... > > THEN... > > TM fulfill it's goals! How can you tell triumphalism from a sort of broad > but simpleminded ecumenicalism that it became popular among religious leaders > to give lip-service to in the 1960's? > > Just switch the ideas around and see if you accept them. Here we go Buck: > > If you accept Jesus as your personal savior, and maintain all the necessary > sacraments of the Church, including but not limited to going to confession > before receiving holy communion (Jesus tastes just like chicken) you will > gain your desired state of Brahman consciousness and life in the eternal > limbo of the very poorly defined eternal future promised to you by Maharishi > when you die. > > Not so appealing is it? Because in your heart of hearts you are dismissing > all of the core theology of Christianity (psssst, over here, keep it down, > keep it down...it also is dismissing that OTHER one that, you know might kill > us for saying this) and proclaiming that YOUR version of imagining how things > REALLY are in the universe is the rightest of the right, the bestest of the > best, and NOT the penultimate, but the underused but less flashy sounding > ULTIMATE itself. > > This is why secular people are suspicious of religious ideas. While there is > a lot of "all we are saying is that you need to love our brothers and > sisters", underneath it is the presumed arrogance of absolute truth. The > kind of truth that humans totally suck at, and yet perversely, believe they > are really, really good at. (It just gives us an epistemological boner to > feel so SURE about something doesn't it?) > > So enjoy you golden mammaries of pure knowledge if that floats your boat. > (Still perky after all these years, must have had some work done.) But drop > the triumphalist nonsense about other religions. It just makes you sound > (like it did Maharishi) like you need to get off the farm a little more and > interact with people who have not drunk the same brand of that oversweetened > beverage with the equally enthusiastic boundaries violator, red pitcher who > looks just a little too happy to have broken down the WALL to pitch HIS > product in OUR living room. > > > > > > > > However, there's also a deep, non-religious, radical truth at the core that > > we simply have to reclaim, which is that we ALL have the Christ energy > > within us as our higher spiritual potential. Even if we're a Buddhist. Or a > > Jew. Or a pagan. > > > > > > > > Of course linguistically 'Christ' actually comes from the root meaning > > > "anointed" and it's the part of us that is blessed, suffused, and > > > permeated with divinity. > > > > > > > > > > > We may not call it Christ because of the associations, but it's > > > > actually a higher octave of our true nature. It's the part of our being > > > > that is at one with The Divine The Unified Field of All Nature, that > > > > expresses unconditional love for all people and all things, and yes > > > > including those who harm us, that is pouring forth more soul into > > > > manifest form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christ's the dimension of us that is incarnating more Godliness into > > > > > this planet, even if we don't believe in God. It's Physics and it's > > > > > Reality. > > > > > > > > > > Meditators for Christ! > > > > > By Christ! > > > > > Come to Meditation, > > > > > -Buck in the Dome > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "Jason" <jedi_spock@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hey salyavin, according to the Catholic Church of my youth, > > > > > > > > once a person is baptised they have what is called, an > > > > > > > > indelible mark on the soul showing that. If I remember > > > > > > > > correctly, the other sacraments that leave indelible marks are > > > > > > > > Confirmation and Holy Orders. So in this sense one is never > > > > > > > > really even an ex Catholic. I * left the Church * when I was > > > > > > > > 17. In the beginning I thought of myself as an ex or lapsed > > > > > > > > Catholic. But that label has dropped from my thinking as time > > > > > > > > goes by. And sometimes for family events, I still attend Mass > > > > > > > > and Communion. I admit this probably horrifies me half sister > > > > > > > > who has been a devout Catholic. OTOH she did ask me to be > > > > > > > > godmother for her youngest so maybe not (-: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. That's quite a load to put on someone methinks. I > > > > > > > wasn't > > > > > > > even christened and so have no deep early programming to make me > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > part of any church but an indelible mark, that's heavy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hate it when I hear people say they were born Jewish or Muslim > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > whatever because they weren't. We are all born scientists, curious > > > > > > > and open minded but the adult world seems to be in a race to beat > > > > > > > that out of us and as soon as we are set in our ways the poison > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > passed on. My parents were really cool about things like that > > > > > > > and it took me a long time to notice. I Should thank them for > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > so irreligious but still very moral. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really don't like the word seeker and humanist sounds a > > > > > > > > little dry. I've read books etc. in which people use the > > > > > > > > phrase spiritual but not religious. But even the word > > > > > > > > spiritual doesn't sound encompassing enough to me now. Does > > > > > > > > that make any sense? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't like anything that sounds new-agey like seeker either, > > > > > > > because I'm not really. I used to be a determined "finder" as > > > > > > > I refered to having discovered TM but I'm a bit more agnostic now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same with spiritual as it it sounds like being involved in > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > that isn't actually real in the sense that there is some sort of > > > > > > > extra realm to be discovered, when it seems to me that all I'm > > > > > > > doing is refining how I see this one. And even then I don't see > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > we ever see anything other than what our head machinery can cope > > > > > > > with in a mechanical sense and we've got evolution to thank for > > > > > > > that. I'm the most materialist meditator I ever met... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are not a materialist. You are a dialectical > > > > > > rationalist and an eclectical scientist. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some religionists are also highly materialistic. Some > > > > > > atheists are also highly spiritual. The two are not > > > > > > mutually exclusive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How about devoted Earthling? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like it. Sounds like an acceptance of reality with an intention > > > > > > > to make the most of what we've got. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: salyavin808 <fintlewoodlewix@> > > > > > > > > To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:12 PM > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getting Groovy at the Godless > > > > > > > > Church. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "Buck" > > > > > > > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is interesting. Lot like the primitive Quaker > > > > > > > > > > meeting. Like the Sunday Quaker meeting we have in > > > > > > > > > > Fairfield. Very high spiritual group gathering but not > > > > > > > > > > religious in the sense of iron age mythology. Very > > > > > > > > > > contemporary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting how something fills a need that we all have, > > > > > > > > whether it's > > > > > > > > religious or not doesn't seem to matter. When they start reading > > > > > > > > Richard Dawkins lectures and saying 'all praise to DNA' at the > > > > > > > > end is when I'll start to think it's odd... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Polling shows that ex-Catholics are the third largest > > > > > > > > > religious group in the United States. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do they call themselves now then? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-04-24/national/38776675_1_communion-body-and-blood-catholic-church > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
