--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
<snip>
> Anyway, to your points, I think that different people 
> have different predilections in life. Some, like you and
> I, seem to be able to immerse ourselves in an environment
> that many consider negative and low-vibe, and emerge from
> the experience higher and purified. Go figure. Others, in
> the exact same environment, would have their state of 
> attention lowered. Go figure again.
> 
> If you are of the latter predilection, no amount of talk
> or intellectual explanation is going to sway you from 
> your belief that strip clubs are low-vibe and/or that they
> objectify women or somehow demean them. It's a "gut" feel-
> ing for them; their body just *reacts* to certain stimuli
> in a way that, for them, is not positive. Other people
> react other ways.
> 
> Me, I'm quite happy with my tantric approach to things, with
> surfing weird and disparate energies and finding eternity
> at both ends of the spectrum and at every point in between.
> I'm often subjectively higher, and have clearer experiences
> of witnessing, in the red light district of Amsterdam or
> in a strip club than I do in a temple or supposed holy
> place. Like you, I have to go with my subjective feeling,
> even if it doesn't make any sense to people who have a more
> traditional, right-and-wrong approach to these polarities.

Just another possibility to consider besides the
two black-and-white alternatives you suggest:

I have no difficulty imagining myself having a
"high" experience in a strip club.  I don't
consider them "unholy," I don't think of the
polarities involved as right or wrong in the
traditional moral sense.  I have no doubt
whatsoever that such environments have the
potential to generate a great deal of positive,
even deeply spiritual, energy.

I've never visited a strip club, but I've been
in other "low" situations and had "high"
experiences (just as I've been in "high" 
situations and had "low" experiences).

The thing is, none of this intersects at any point
with my objection to strip clubs.  One doesn't
influence the other, either way.





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