What are the Dome numbers lately? What is the goal in terms of numbers?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote:
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> The TM communal antagonisms evidently run deep as insurmountably low ME
> numbers unless the Prime Minister comes around himself and repeals the TM
> anti-saint policy for everybody. That day would be emancipation day for the
> Meissner Effect of consciousness in Fairfield and everywhere.
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> > > > Dr. that is true but that just does not exactly match reality here.
> > > > Doc., from a distance you would think so. But you don't live here.
> > > > However, there is a much larger meditating community here that has long
> > > > been spurned and disenfranchised from the Domes by a very few
> > > > extremists in the middle who have their own faith-based ideology that
> > > > has held the group meditation of the community hostage.
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> > Look, this is about getting a large group meditation and and proper [ME]
> > Meissner Effect. Our larger communal resistance to getting a proper ME
> > seemingly is impossible now to overcome here without a substantial change;
> > it's insurmountable, these are insuperable odds with the long antagonisms
> > this TM administration has led with the meditating community using the TM
> > anti-saint guideline to judge, whip and hang people with.
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> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <drpsutphen@> wrote:
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> > > > > Well, if you really want to resolve this you simply build your own
> > > > > dome or flying hall. A master never releases his slave. The slave
> > > > > decides to no longer be a slave. To think that the TMO is ever going
> > > > > to change its position is a waste of time. Those people are simply
> > > > > lost in their own minds. If they ever experienced the fruit of
> > > > > TM/TMSP they would be free. But they very clearly don't , so they
> > > > > continue to rule in their fiefdom of thought.
> > > > >
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> > > The fact is that the larger community built the Domes to meditate in.
> > > The community should not have to build another set of Domes because a few
> > > people have locked the community out. That [build another] thinking is
> > > wrong and in fact they need to change their thinking for there to be a
> > > proper ME again in the Domes. If they cannot return a proper ME now,
> > > right now, then it is time for regime change if they can not rescind the
> > > TM Anti-saint policies that use the Domes in extortion. Something has to
> > > change for the benefit of a proper ME .
> > > -Buck
> > >
> > >
> > > > > In order to reach a just solution to the anti-saint policies of TM
> > > > > and the Dome meditation ME that is accepted by all parties, goodwill
> > > > > can play the role of mediator between the TM.government and its
> > > > > meditator community in opposition that is working hard to achieve a
> > > > > democracy and good governance. I do hope for the best ME we can
> > > > > facilitate.
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > The gravest threat to the Maharishi Effect here and its protection
> > > > > > of America in its support of Natural Law is our tyrannic TM
> > > > > > anti-saint policy over meditators in the Domes. It is time to
> > > > > > repeal the anti-saint policy for all our safety.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yep, using the Dome badge as punishment in fealty test over
> > > > > > > people while hoping to git a large and proper Meissner Effect out
> > > > > > > of the Domes is insurmountably impossible without a change in the
> > > > > > > leadership and/or the TM-anti-saint guidelines. A large change
> > > > > > > is needed right now from within TM.
> > > > > > > -Buck
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> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
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> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <wayback71@>
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> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson
> > > > > > > > > > <mjackson74@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the
> > > > > > > > > > > minds of those too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what
> > > > > > > > > > > it was, a scam, you are in danger of losing nothing and
> > > > > > > > > > > the extremism you speak of has existed for decades - it
> > > > > > > > > > > ain't gonna change now, Pappy.
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> > > > > > > > > > It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to
> > > > > > > > > > maintain the state of hostility and hatred between the two
> > > > > > > > > > positions, but logic says that there should be a change of
> > > > > > > > > > direction in order to turn a new page in this unstable
> > > > > > > > > > relationship and minimize the state of hostility and
> > > > > > > > > > mistrust between the two positions.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking
> > > > > > > > > elsewhere: First, to protect people from getting sidetracked
> > > > > > > > > from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary
> > > > > > > > > method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases
> > > > > > > > > unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and
> > > > > > > > > lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc).
> > > > > > > > > Second, there is value in sticking with a single path and not
> > > > > > > > > "diluting" it with other ways and creating a mishmash of
> > > > > > > > > approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if the public
> > > > > > > > > noticed that TM'ers were still looking for help to solve
> > > > > > > > > their own issues or to find a better Master. Fourth, a
> > > > > > > > > belief that TM was the best way and pretty much the only way
> > > > > > > > > to enlightenment.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers,
> > > > > > > > except clearly the meditating movement does not believe or hold
> > > > > > > > them as articles of faith like our TM-taliban does. We got a
> > > > > > > > problem with a few ultra-preservationist meditators in the
> > > > > > > > middle of everything holding the Meissner Effect [ME] and the
> > > > > > > > Dome meditation hostage with their own faith about things.
> > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not,
> > > > > > > > > things are different in this day and age it is a fact that
> > > > > > > > > people will easily be able to look at other methods to
> > > > > > > > > meditate, calm themselves, or evolve. To assume that once a
> > > > > > > > > person learns TM they will never be curious about another
> > > > > > > > > program or teacher or saint is ludicrous. And so is the
> > > > > > > > > assumption that they should be excluded from the good graces
> > > > > > > > > of the TMO if they do widen their horizons.The TMO has to
> > > > > > > > > make a decision soon: to continue to strictly follow MMY"s
> > > > > > > > > policy from about 1970, or to soften up and realize how
> > > > > > > > > different our world is now and how infantalizing the old
> > > > > > > > > policy is.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department
> > > > > > > > > that deals with the blacklisting and gatekeeping. Just say
> > > > > > > > > the Domes are only for the practice of TM and TMSP, but all
> > > > > > > > > who agree to do this are welcome. Welcome back.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only
> > > > > > > > > waiting for the guy to die to resolve the conflict. However
> > > > > > > > > in mediation let us hope for a communal peace and
> > > > > > > > > reconciliation in a large group meditation before then.
> > > > > > > > > > -Buck
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson
> > > > > > > > > > > <mjackson74@> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > what you fail to take into consideration is that your
> > > > > > > > > > > > Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself
> > > > > > > > > > > > and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around
> > > > > > > > > > > > Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion
> > > > > > > > > > > > is get out before you waste anymore time, effort,
> > > > > > > > > > > > energy and money.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the
> > > > > > > > > > > Country of Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism
> > > > > > > > > > > pains me greatly. We have suffered many blows as a result
> > > > > > > > > > > of extremism.
> > > > > > > > > > > -Buck
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint
> > > > > > > > > > > > Policies
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Urgently "A 'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to
> > > > > > > > > > > > save the TM movement. A repeal of the anti-saint
> > > > > > > > > > > > policies if only to sustain a meditation group for the
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dome meditation numbers. A meditation without fear.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred
> > > > > > > > > > > > hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its
> > > > > > > > > > > > leadership inside and outside the meditating community.
> > > > > > > > > > > > We need only look at the decades long slide in
> > > > > > > > > > > > numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers
> > > > > > > > > > > > back against the hard-heads on top. Simply to save the
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a
> > > > > > > > > > > > flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly failed to
> > > > > > > > > > > > sustain our numbers and it is time and has become our
> > > > > > > > > > > > larger responsibility to change those guidelines with
> > > > > > > > > > > > repeal. The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with
> > > > > > > > > > > > their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of
> > > > > > > > > > > > corruption, liars and hypocrites. More than
> > > > > > > > > > > > reforming, the time is come for the repeal of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program;
> > > > > > > > > > > > Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome
> > > > > > > > > > > > numbers. The saints are returning soon again. It is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > fact of life. Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to
> > > > > > > > > > > > save the Domes before it is too late.. The time has
> > > > > > > > > > > > come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint
> > > > > > > > > > > > repeal movement for all our benefit."
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > terribly strong parallels to the context of the 18th
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the movement to repeal the 18th amendment: A theme
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of a reality. Sort of like TM's movement
> > > > > > > > > > > > > administration trying to restrict and prohibit its
> > > > > > > > > > > > > own people from visiting other saints and holy people
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and only relying on its own TM teachers and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > consultants.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As comparison critique this is a thought provoking
> > > > > > > > > > > > > documentary on Pauline Sabin and the movement to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come out that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is married and has been for many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years. But I wonder
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what excuses you make for him lying about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it for so long,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and to so many?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a really tough question. That could
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easily be someone's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How
> > > > > > > > > > > > > meditators have dealt with the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That
> > > > > > > > > > > > > became more directly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > addressed in a series of posts by a range of old
> > > > > > > > > > > > > meditators writing on FFL
> > > > > > > > > > > > > between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > really interesting to read
> > > > > > > > > > > > > how different people resolved their relationship with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the Tmo.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back then it seems the problems were more simply
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the money, fund-raising technique and the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anti-saint policy that were driving people away.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Back then there were yet some lot of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'unknowns' like the women to be discovered.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surveying the old [meditating] community,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The old survey that was done is archived here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the FFL files section. It is real
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting trend-reading to look at now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Things were in motion then even back in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '90's and early '00's and yet still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unresolved now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look in the 'files' section under the folder
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "FFL and Fairfield Community" about surveys.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be able to read the survey results here you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got to be a registered yahoo groups FFL member
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to open the files.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Buck" wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > turquoiseb wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share Long wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm very glad that Rajaram is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > householder.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you glad that he lied about it to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pretty much
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everyone in the TM movement for many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years, including
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his close friends like John Hagelin?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes the TMO more human somehow,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more of the world
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with all its joys and sorrows, more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connected to life
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with all its light and dark.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > come out that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is married and has been for many
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years. But I wonder
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what excuses you make for him lying
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about it for so long,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and to so many?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a really tough question. That
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could easily be someone's scholarly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meditators have dealt with the deceit and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moral dissonance of their leadership.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That became more directly addressed in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > series of posts by a range of old
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meditators writing on FFL between
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was really interesting to read how
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different people resolved their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with the Tmo.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surveying the [meditating] community.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm betting there is at least one PhD
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thesis waiting to happen around this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [morality] topic or at least a scholarly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paper. It would proly be timely anyway to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a new survey of this done
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently now for the benefit of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meditating community. Back about 15 years
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ago some smart people created an
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independent survey of the Fairfield
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meditating community then. Seems morality
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was the same problem then it is today with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leadership.. A new survey enlarged
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around these topics of moral complexity
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could be telling with some evident policy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendations particularly for how things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are going now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surveying the old [meditating] community,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The old survey that was done is archived here
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the FFL files section. It is real
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interesting trend-reading to look at now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Things were in motion then even back in the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > '90's and early '00's and yet still
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unresolved now.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look in the 'files' section under the folder
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "FFL and Fairfield Communty" about surveys.
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