On 07/05/2013 10:57 PM, John wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@...> wrote: >> On 07/05/2013 12:19 PM, John wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: >>>> On 07/04/2013 08:28 PM, John wrote: >>>>> Bhairitu, >>>>> >>>>> Here's a note on the US natal chart. Using Saturn as the significator >>>>> for karma, career, or productivity(per Bhrigu Nandi Nadi technique), the >>>>> 10th house from Saturn becomes the 7th house. >>>>> >>>>> The 7th house has many planets in it, including the Sun, Jupiter, Venus, >>>>> and Mars. This means that the US will be productive in many facets of >>>>> life from its citizens. >>>>> >>>>> However, the 7th house also represents other countries outside the US. >>>>> So, the US has gone world-wide to find raw materials, like oil, for >>>>> production. >>>>> >>>>> Given this inherent feature in the chart, it is very likely that the US >>>>> will be a catalyst for world government. Given the multi-trillion >>>>> deficit that we have, the US will be more motivated to produce more with >>>>> the help of other countries to pay for the deficit in the future. >>>>> >>>>> In the long run, the US will have to be more innovative and highly >>>>> technological than the rest of the world to sustain its lifestyle. IMO, >>>>> this will force the US to colonize the Moon and Mars to obtain resources >>>>> there for use here on earth. >>>> So why did the US fall down in the 1860s and 1930s if it has such as >>>> "strong chart?" Remember the US is an amalgamation of states so it's a >>>> little difficult to get an idea of what is happening with one single >>>> horoscope. Which is why most astrologers debate over what is the "real" >>>> US horoscope. It's not like India where the jyotishees got the Brits to >>>> hand the country over at an auspicious time. >>>> >>>> The US standard of living is unsustainable. it will have to collapse >>>> but maybe just back to 1970 levels. That wasn't so bad. And why >>>> shouldn't folks in emerging nations have a good life too? Are Americans >>>> special or something? Now those folks can look at our standard of >>>> living too because of the Internet. BTW, many of those folks joke about >>>> Americans being so fat. >>>> >>>> You should test your astrology by tracking logical outcomes. Just look >>>> at the road the country is going down and make a prediction on that and >>>> see how astrology stands up to it. You might even find that pattern in >>>> the horoscope. >>>> >>>> But here is an article about the American Dream. Note that over 51% >>>> voted that the "American Dream" is no longer realistic. >>>> >>>> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/state-american-dream-uncertain-6C10508356 >>>> >>> The US chart, just like any other charts, is subject to the cycles of time >>> which can be seen in the Vimshottari Dasha system. That's why the US >>> economy went through its depression cycles. James Kelleher, an American >>> jyotishi, already covered this point in his article at ACVA several years >>> ago. >>> >>> The US would have gone through another depression in 2008 if the Federal >>> Reserve Board hadn't acted appropriately by lowering the interest rates and >>> buying up billions of government bonds. It was also justified that the >>> government bailed out some of weak banks and General Motors. We're still >>> recovering from that tailspin. >>> >>> But the rest of the world also experienced the same down cycle. Some >>> countries in Europe, like Spain, Greece, and Italy, are still experiencing >>> double digit unemployment. As a matter of fact, the US is lucky that the >>> economy didn't collapse due to $16 trillion national debt. IMO, this is >>> due to the productivity potential of the US economy. The rest of the world >>> still believes that the US can make the necessary adjustments and recover >>> from this down cycle. >>> >>> There's more to this discussion but I'll it here for now. >>> >>> JR >> I know James Kelleher and I also know he has been open to discussing >> other US charts. Some of these charts may work as harmonics. >> >> The US *should* have gone through that depression because it would have >> hurt the public less than it is now. It would have mainly meant an end >> to many rich peoples fortunes and which I would not shed one tear for. >> I think if it brought more chaos the people would have behaved in more >> of a "community" fashion to help each other and that might still >> happen. You must be reading a lot of mainstream propaganda if you think >> we are recovering. >> >> What productivity potential does the US have? Manufacturing is gone. >> Manufacturers would be reticent after using foreign workers who have a >> different work ethic to use US workers. And you must be guessing about >> what the rest of the world thinks? Try this web site which has foreign >> press articles translated to English: >> >> http://watchingamerica.com/News/ >> >> There's optimism and then there's drinking the kool-aid. > > The US is now pondering how to proceed with its problems and the problems > with the rest of the world. It would too easy to say that we should solve > our problems first and the rest will take care of itself. But it needs a > demand of products and services in order to harness its capabilities to > supply the demand. > > This can only be done when the needs of the world are included in the US > economic equation. As you have pointed out, many of the countries in the > world are not developed as the USA, Europe and Japan. These countries are > not as efficient politically and economically to quickly transform their > cultures. > > IMO, these economic forces will eventually lead to a world government that > would try to improve everyone's quality of life. The US would gain because > the need for improvement will be created which can be satisfied by the US > production capability. > > In short, what I'm trying to say is that the karma of the US natal chart is > powerful enough to create such a world government. I'm not proposing that > the United Nations to take over. What I'm proposing is that the rest of the > world countries join the American Union of States. > > This will transform the economy of the USA and at the same time solve the > problems that the other countries in the world may have as well. For > example, if Mexico joined the USA, their natural reserves of oil can be used > to transform their society by improving its quality of life, politics and > infrastructure. In turn, the US production capability can be used as a > conduit for refining their oil for use in their country and the USA as well. > The American system of politics, law and justice can be installed in their > country which should help the apparent poverty and weak government that > cannot control crime and the drug cartels. > > These are just some of the ideas how the USA and the world can solve their > economic problems. Time can only tell the truth.
If you're going to base this on Jyotish and use the Vimshottari dasha that you've already mentioned then please look at the US in 1893. Turq should be all over you for being so US centric. And Nabby is right, the US is bankrupt but still running on it's credit card. Some of us are just waiting for the moment the dollar collapses. The US is such a great world leader that 47% of the working populace only have part-time jobs! This is a good article from yesterday about the fading American Dream: http://www.nbcnews.com/business/state-american-dream-uncertain-6C10508356 I gotta admit though that the Gallup Poll has called me twice this last week and I just ignore the call. These polls always say "it's a short survey (usually with stupid questions)" and then 15 minutes later you're still on and pissed. If they pay me $200 I'll play.
